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Off Topic WW3 How Close?

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Nozs’ Hat, Jan 20, 2022.

  1. The Exile II

    The Exile II Well-Known Member

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    Weight of numbers was always going to tell. However they've exploded the myth that they were getting harder while we were getting softer. There doesn't seem to be any modern capability there. They'll win, but they'll have lost everything to do it.
     
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    rooch 3 Well-Known Member

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    I can’t see what he has won to be fair, if everyone sticks to there guns he will be cut off completely from most of the rest of the world, and I can’t believe how stupid he is to believe the Russian people don’t know what’s going on just because he’s banned twitter etc.
     
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  3. Saf

    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    I hope you're right, mate. We'll know for sure over the next few days if/when they start to roll out their good gear.
     
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    Even in 1991 the majority of people in the Soviet Union knew very little about the west. That is the Russia in which Putin was made.

    However, I am not sure he realises just how extensive the reach of modern information is.

    Even if Putin has Russia switch off the internet and all social media people will just e-mail or text news around to each other.

    Long term I can't see how Putin can survive this. That means he will become desperate and desperate men do desperate things.

    The world has suddenly become a very dangerous place.
     
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  6. Saf

    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    Black people get off the train so we can replace you with a white person.

    Not a good look for Ukraine. What was that Putin was saying about the Neo-nazi culture in Ukraine <whistle>

     
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  7. clockstander

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    Good points but I fear for the whole of Ukraine in the short term, The sooner Putin is despatched, the safer we will all be.
     
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  8. The Exile II

    The Exile II Well-Known Member

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    All the former Eastern bloc countries are pretty racist. Remember they were basically frozen in time for 70 years socially under the USSR. I suppose there are other priorities at the minute.
     
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  9. clockstander

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    It amazed me just how many students studying medicine there are in the Ukraine, it was these that were blocking women with small children getting onto the trains, it had nothing to do with colour from what I saw, but dont let that spoil any warped views, there are Neo Nasty's and worse in all societies East and West.
     
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  10. Draig

    Draig Well-Known Member

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    Russia is no better. They have no love for BAMEs and Putin and his followers even refuse to admit Ukrainiane exists, they call it Russia Minor, Lesser Russia or Little Russia.

    To Putinistas the core of the Russian World consists of three territories; Great Russia, White Russia (Belarus) and Russia Minor. The Great Russians are at the very top of this society - from where they look down upon Belarusians and Lesser Russians. There are nuances to this structure, eg a Russian living in Ukraine is not as inferior as a Ukrainian living in Russia or Ukraine.

    Essentially these three territories compose the ancestral Russian heartland - dating back to the Kievan Rus (late 9th - mid 13th century).

    Funnily enough, Crimea wasn't a part of this heartland - though I am sure its onshore and offshore oil and gas fields more than make up for this ethnic deficiency!
     
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  11. Saf

    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    Ukraine are being racist.

    Yeah but
    Yeah but
    Yeah but

    Only on the Sunderland board <laugh>
     
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  12. clockstander

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    Good post. <ok>
     
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    “Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth”, is a law of propaganda often attributed to the Nazi Joseph Goebbels. Among psychologists something like this known as the "illusion of truth" effect. Here's how a typical experiment on the effect works: participants rate how true trivia items are, things like "A prune is a dried plum". Sometimes these items are true (like that one), but sometimes participants see a parallel version which isn't true (something like "A date is a dried plum").

    After a break – of minutes or even weeks – the participants do the procedure again, but this time some of the items they rate are new, and some they saw before in the first phase. The key finding is that people tend to rate items they've seen before as more likely to be true, regardless of whether they are true or not, and seemingly for the sole reason that they are more familiar.

    So, here, captured in the lab, seems to be the source for the saying that if you repeat a lie often enough it becomes the truth. And if you look around yourself, you may start to think that everyone from advertisers to politicians are taking advantage of this foible of human psychology.

    But a reliable effect in the lab isn't necessarily an important effect on people's real-world beliefs. If you really could make a lie sound true by repetition, there'd be no need for all the other techniques of persuasion.

    What goes round comes round, but you are right Saff , imo. prejudice is everywhere you find humanity, sad but true imo.
     
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    You also get the echo chamber effect. You think one thing, but you hear people saying the opposite. Then after a while you think "I might be wrong about this, everyone else says differently." And slowly your opinion can change and you'll believe what everyone else says
     
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  15. Oliver's Army

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    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-africa-60573719

    Nigerian student in Ukraine: 'They said black people should walk'

    Nigerian student in Ukraine: 'They said black people should walk'Close

    Nigerian medical student Jessica Orakpo tells the BBC about her ordeal and the racism she experienced as she attempted to leave Ukraine following Russia's invasion.

    Based in the western city of Ternopil, she first tried to reach the Polish border on foot - but in the end she took a train to Hungary.

    She describes the discrimination she and other Africans have faced from Ukrainian officials.
     
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  17. The Exile II

    The Exile II Well-Known Member

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    We should leave then to their fate then.
     
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  18. Oliver's Army

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    malagamackem Well-Known Member

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    My view of this is simple - Russia and Putin should F*** Off to Russia. End of message.
     
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  20. Nozs’ Hat

    Nozs’ Hat Well-Known Member

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    Russia used the term ‘denazification’ as part of their rationale for the invasion of Ukraine. You seem to be clinging to this awful story of racism to validate Russia’s actions. Do you support or condemn Russia in this war? You are coming across very much as a supporter, or an apologist for Russian aggression at best.
     
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