World Cup

[Drew]

Players will be wearing FIFA No Discrimination arm bands though. Presumably No Discrimination unless you are LGBTQ+ or a woman.

Yes, protest but using our provided materials.

 

[Cityzen]

Wouldn't only having the lgetc arm band, be discrimination in that case?

It’s a minefield, Dutch.

 

[Drew]

Wouldn't only having the lgetc arm band, be discrimination in that case?

No. Supporting a group of people who don’t yet have equality isn’t discrimination.

 

[DMD]

No. Supporting a group of people who don’t yet have equality isn’t discrimination.

Cool, so all the others have equality. Sounds like job done there then...or maybe...

 

[Drew]

Cool, so all the others have equality. Sounds like job done there then...or maybe...

Ah did you mean it would be discriminatory against other groups or against LGBT groups?

 

[DMD]

Ah did you mean it would be discriminatory against other groups or against LGBT groups?

Yes.

 

[Sumatran_Tiger]

Ah did you mean it would be discriminatory against other groups or against LGBT groups?

Against "+" ?

 

[Drew]

Yes.

Im really confused. Which did you mean?

 

[dennisboothstash]

It’s not even just about gay people or women’s rights. Underneath all that it’s a very basic standing up to spoiled **** bullies. They’re flexing their wealth by buying the tournament and stamping their feet like little cry babies to get what whey want and have everything their way. It would be nice just to see someone stand up to them and defy them, about anything.

How powerful an image would that have been to see Harry Kane take a yellow card for wearing that armband. Dare I say an image powerful enough to bring down FIFA itself. The perfect poster to show just how truly rotten they will forever be. But they bottled it, the chance is gone. And there is now no point taking the knee, it’s a hollow, empty gesture.

Corruption has scored a full house. Nothing will ever change.

I don't care whether they take the knee or not, but it definitely feels like an empty gesture now we know that if FIFA had said they couldn't do it without consequences they would have immediately stopped doing it.

They bottled it as you say.

They should have had the guts to let Kane take the yellow card, change the Captain to a different player next game, and let them take a card. etc etc

It's clearly not that important to them. Which is fine, but don't pretend it is important in that case.

 

[Amin Arrears]

I don't care whether they take the knee or not, but it definitely feels like an empty gesture now we know that if FIFA had said they couldn't do it without consequences they would have immediately stopped doing it.

They bottled it as you say.

They should have had the guts to let Kane take the yellow card, change the Captain to a different player next game, and let them take a card. etc etc

It's clearly not that important to them. Which is fine, but don't pretend it is important in that case.

I wonder what’s really been said behind the scenes. If it was a yellow card, I’m sure someone would have just been like, **** it, it’s only a yellow. Got to be more to it than that. It’s such a pathetic, almost satirical last minute deterrent.

The photo of the referee awarding Kane a yellow card would have been a real life Banksy mural.

 

[Drew]

I wonder what’s really been said behind the scenes. If it was a yellow card, I’m sure someone would have just been like, **** it, it’s only a yellow. Got to be more to it than that. It’s such a pathetic, almost satirical last minute deterrent.

The photo of the referee awarding Kane a yellow card would have been a real life Banksy mural.

Amongst all this is the Welsh fans who say they had rainbow hats taken off them at the stadium.

That’s the bigger joke here really.

 

[Gone For A Walk]

Anybody think an armband, bucket hat or whatever would make even one jot of difference? It's meaningless crap yet it's taking up so much energy.
FFS, just play football, let fans enjoy the football (or ignore it if that's their 'cut my nose off to spite my face' personal choice) and leave the 'politics' to others.

 

[Charon]

We changed because protests are allowed to happen. The fact that people aren’t allowed to peacefully protest means no change will happen.

The religious law is exactly my point. No one way of life should ever be the only legal way of living. It

part of the problem is we allow Islam to be practiced in this country which means taking on board their beliefs on women and LGBT - as soon as you criticise you get accused of being Islamaphobic - people need to make their minds up whether everyone's human rights are important or just those who think the same as you

 

[Drew]

part of the problem is we allow Islam to be practiced in this country which means taking on board their beliefs on women and LGBT - as soon as you criticise you get accused of being Islamaphobic - people need to make their minds up whether everyone's human rights are important or just those who think the same as you

It depends on how you approach it I guess. If you are respectful I highly doubt you’d be called Islamophobic.

I would respect someone who told me I don’t agree with the way you live your life, but I will defend your right to live it.

 

[Gone For A Walk]

part of the problem is we allow Islam to be practiced in this country which means taking on board their beliefs on women and LGBT - as soon as you criticise you get accused of being Islamaphobic - people need to make their minds up whether everyone's human rights are important or just those who think the same as you

Where's the mike drop emoji?
As the post alludes to, the irony and hypocrisy from so many in this country is beyond ridiculous. A clusterfuck with our country taken for mugs.
Either cultures, values & practices that are so opposed to ours are ok or they aren't.
If it's the right thing to do to speak out about Qatar & wherever, to wear armbands, bucket hats, other symbols & gestures, it can't also then be right to allow, enable, even encourage, 'multi culturalism' and what that entails in practice here (the opposing cultures, values & practices i.e. the same things that are being protested about in Qatar here in our own country); it makes no sense whatsoever. Where's the same protests and pissy gestures here in our country? Oh, that's not allowed as it's deemed racist or phobic.
I'm sick of the hypocrisy, mixed messages, double standards, etc. As the post said, "people need to make their minds up", and start looking in their own back yard.
This WC is doing a great job in bringing this mixed up **** to the fore again.
FFS just play football.

 

[Charon]

It depends on how you approach it I guess. If you are respectful I highly doubt you’d be called Islamophobic.

I would respect someone who told me I don’t agree with the way you live your life, but I will defend your right to live it.

so if the Qatar team played football at Wembley and wanted their captain to wear an armband with 'no to LGBT' then you would be ok with it because it was deemed respectful - it's an impossible subject because everyone believes they have the moral high ground and as the world gets smaller and national populations become more diverse people become intolerant of each other's different beliefs - multiculturalism only works if everyone thinks the same and you persuade people with different beliefs to have the same as you otherwise you have to respect differences

 

[Drew]

so if the Qatar team played football at Wembley and wanted their captain to wear an armband with 'no to LGBT' then you would be ok with it because it was deemed respectful

But that’s not the same thing. As I said in this thread about the exact same point earlier, campaigning AGAINST someone’s rights is not the same as protesting FOR someone’s rights.

One is supportive, one isnt.

 

[Gone For A Walk]

It depends on how you approach it I guess. If you are respectful I highly doubt you’d be called Islamophobic.

I would respect someone who told me I don’t agree with the way you live your life, but I will defend your right to live it.

Really? So you would defend their treatment of women, children, LGBT's, etc etc. and, maybe more to the point, you would defend it still when it happens in this country? Wow.

 

[Drew]

Really? So you would defend their treatment of women, children, LGBT's, etc etc. and, maybe more to the point, you would defend it still when it happens in this country? Wow.

That’s literally not what I said.

 

[Gone For A Walk]

That’s literally not what I said.

Ok, semantics. You say you would respect them, which therefore means their treatment of women, children, LGBT's etc, and to the point, including when it happens here in the UK. I very much doubt that's what you really meant. You are not on your own, most people are utterly lost with their hypocrisy, mixed messages, double standards, inability or unwillingness to see what's happening on their doorstep but instead feel it ok (or easier) to tell other distant countries how to live.
OP - we need to make up our minds.