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[ElTigre]

I think that the BPL in India trip showed some degree of sanction.

Generally in conversations that I have had about the name change, there does seem to be an acceptance that the FA will allow it to go ahead. The views expressed to me by several supporters is that they like us being in the top flight and if the price paid is a change in the clubs name, they may not like it but they will not stop going if it changes.

Which members of the FA council do you think give a flying **** about us being in the premier?



Leader of FA Council B W Bright, Kent FA

Chairman
G Dyke

Vice-ChairmenNational Game: R Burden, Gloucestershire FA
Professional Game: D Gill, Manchester United FC

Life/Senior Vice-Presidents
M M Armstrong, Huntingdonshire FA
WT Annable, Nottinghamshire FA
RE Barston, Leicestershire & Rutland FA
RG Berridge, Bedfordshire FA
JA Christopher, Berks & Bucks FA
K Compton, Derbyshire FA
F Hannah, OBE, Manchester FA
D Henson, Devon FA
AJ Hobbs, Somerset FA
PS Hough, Dorset FA
FLJ Hunter, Liverpool FA
DJ Insole, CBE, Cambridge University FA
RW Kiddell, OBE, JP, ACII, Norfolk FA
R E Maughan, Northumberland FA
T Myatt, Staffordshire FA
P Rushton, Worcestershire FA
C J Saunders, Independent Schools FA
L F J Smith, Surrey FA
C B Taylor, Barnsley FC
G Thompson, OBE, JP, Sheffield & Hallamshire FA
JJ Waterall, Nottinghamshire FA
B Walden, Northamptonshire FA
N White, BEM, FSCA, Liverpool FC

Vice-Presidents (6)
B J Adshead, Staffordshire FA
PR Barnes, Dagenham & Redbridge FC
B W Bright, Kent FA
R F Burden, Gloucestershire FA
MR Leggett, Worcestershire FA
Sir D G Richards, The Premier League

Representatives of The Premier League (8)D Barnard (Chelsea FC)
M Byrne (Sunderland AFC)
D Eales (Tottenham Hotspur FC)
P Faulkner (Aston Villa)
P Alexander (Premier League)
I Gazidis (Arsenal)
D Gill (Manchester Utd FC)
TBC

Representatives of The Football League (8)A J Ambler (Millwall FC)
S R Bowker CBE (Independent)
G Clarke (FL Chairman)
K Lamb (Middlesbrough FC)
I Lenagan (Oxford United FC)
J Mostyn (Bournemouth AFC)
J Nixon (Carlisle United)
J Rodwell (Notts County FC)

Divisional RepresentativesDivision 1 - D Robinson, Billingham Synthonia FC
Division 2 - R Coar, Blackburn Rovers FC
Division 3 - A Shaw, Altrincham FC
Division 4 - J Moxey, Wolverhampton Wanderers FC
Division 5 - P M Hough, Doncaster Rovers FC
Division 6 - A Neville, Leicester City FC
Division 7 - S Webb, Ipswich Town FC
Division 8 - C Reeves, Poole Town FC
Division 9 - IL Beeks MBE, JP Wycombe Wanderers FC
Division 10 - JD Pearce, Bognor Regis Town FC

County Association RepresentativesBedfordshire - R Robinson
Berks & Bucks - RA Lipscombe
Birmingham - M J Penn
Cambridgeshire - R Pawley
Cheshire - DD Edmunds
Cornwall - G Lee
Cumberland - G Turrell
Derbyshire - F McArdle
Devon - C Davey
Dorset - S Whittle
Durham - JC Topping
East Riding - J Suddards
Essex - MB Game
Gloucestershire - R Schafer
Hampshire - EJ Ward
Herefordshire - RJ Perks
Hertfordshire - M Bayliss
Huntingdonshire - MC Frost
Kent - PCB Smith
Lancashire - WB Warburton
Leicestershire & Rutland - D Jamieson
Lincolnshire - RC Jackson
Liverpool - D Horlick
London - AJ Sharples
Manchester - JB Halford
Middlesex - PJ Clayton
Norfolk - S Turner
North Riding - MSM Birt
Northamptonshire - R Cotter
Northumberland - E A Wright
Nottinghamshire - Ms E Oram
Oxfordshire - D Tutton
Sheffield & Hallamshire - B Jones
Shropshire - D Simpson
Somerset & Avon - AP Hockley
Staffordshire - M Stokes
Suffolk - B Badcock
Surrey - RS Lewis
Sussex - A J Kybett
West Riding - B Chaplin
Westmorland - G Aplin
Wiltshire - RJ Gardiner
Worcestershire - R Northall

Affiliated OrganisationsThe League Managers’ Association - H Wilkinson
The Professional Footballers Association - G Taylor OBE
The Referees’ Association - D Crick
The Football Conference (2) - C Clapham MBE & T Kleanthous
The Northern Premier League - K Brown
The Southern League - K Turner
The Isthmian League - N Robinson

Other Football Associations The University of Oxford Football Association - R Tur
The University of Cambridge FA - Dr J A Little
The Army Football Association - Major WTE Thomson
The Royal Navy Football Association - S Johnson
The Royal Air Force Football Association - Wg Cdr N Hope MBE
The Amateur Football Alliance - M Brown
The Women’s Football Conference (2) - Ms S Hough MBE & Mr T Win
The English Schools’ Football Association - J A Read
The Independent Schools’ Football Association - D R Elleray MBE

The Supporters’ Representative Dr M Clarke

Disability Football Representative
C Chaytors

Inclusion Representatives (x2)
Rimla Akhtar
TBC

General SecretaryA Horne

Independent Non Executive DirectorsR Devlin
H Rabbatts CBE

 

[Charon]

I think that the BPL in India trip showed some degree of sanction.

Generally in conversations that I have had about the name change, there does seem to be an acceptance that the FA will allow it to go ahead. The views expressed to me by several supporters is that they like us being in the top flight and if the price paid is a change in the clubs name, they may not like it but they will not stop going if it changes.

on the other hand they will stop going if we get relegated - not supporters, just ****s

 

[The Omega Man]

A supporter of Hull Tigers slapped a young woman opposed to the name change, so we've already had one physical attack.

If you take a position you get a response, it comes with the territory. Only a naïve man would expect otherwise.

The 19:04 chant has been getting louder since the change of the Facebook page and "We say No" has made a reappearance.

CTWD have lost some credibility, yes, but not from the people you may think. If the FA changes its mind we'll see what Hull City Supporters Trust do, and if anything replaces it.

But the 19.04 chant still needs a countdown to it and the versions sung in the second half on Thursday where taken up by more of the crowd.

Thats the whole problem with HCST and it will always be the problem, trusts founded out of protest cannot ever fully represent the supporter base. On here Fez points out that Dean Windass may not be a good role model to go into the community, but what about some members of HCST? Are they good role models?

Everything to do with public support involves credibility and that is going to be HCST biggest challenge.

You and I will always disagree about protest, I accept that. As I see it, the old CTWD would have by now come up with a statement about Dean Windass, along the lines of you disagree with his use of the term Hull Tigers, but do not condone the attacks on him on twitter, but now?

 

[Fez]

Utter rubbish and an extremely stupid thing to say.

You are entitled to your own opinion, Chazz. What he has done within his own family is his and their affair, if you wish your children to consider him as a great life example then that is your affair, but I would not wish any authority promoting Windass as a lifestyle icon to any of my children, so I suggest you hold him up to the light of your children privately, not on a broadbrush basis.

It seems you speak for 'everyone' again, Chazz.

 

[TheCasual]

The Allams aren't actually appealing the name change.

They're appealing the FA process.

As the FA followed there rule book nothing can be done.

 

[King Curtis]

Surely the focus should be on us staying in the league, rather than fannying about with the name? That has to be the most pertinent focus for everybody at the club. No good being called 'Hull Tigers' and playing in The Championship. We really don't need any more distractions at the moment, but this issue just will not go away. Allam is just too conceited and pig-headed to let this drop.

 

[The Omega Man]

These

Sir D G Richards, The Premier League

Representatives of The Premier League (8)D Barnard (Chelsea FC)
M Byrne (Sunderland AFC)
D Eales (Tottenham Hotspur FC)
P Faulkner (Aston Villa)
P Alexander (Premier League)
I Gazidis (Arsenal)
D Gill (Manchester Utd FC)
TBC

Representatives of The Football League (8)A J Ambler (Millwall FC)
S R Bowker CBE (Independent)
G Clarke (FL Chairman)
K Lamb (Middlesbrough FC)
I Lenagan (Oxford United FC)
J Mostyn (Bournemouth AFC)
J Nixon (Carlisle United)
J Rodwell (Notts County FC)

Divisional RepresentativesDivision 1 - D Robinson, Billingham Synthonia FC
Division 2 - R Coar, Blackburn Rovers FC
Division 3 - A Shaw, Altrincham FC
Division 4 - J Moxey, Wolverhampton Wanderers FC
Division 5 - P M Hough, Doncaster Rovers FC
Division 6 - A Neville, Leicester City FC
Division 7 - S Webb, Ipswich Town FC
Division 8 - C Reeves, Poole Town FC
Division 9 - IL Beeks MBE, JP Wycombe Wanderers FC
Division 10 - JD Pearce, Bognor Regis Town FC

 

[Fez]

On here Fez points out that Dean Windass may not be a good role model to go into the community, but what about some members of HCST? Are they good role models?

You open up a wider argument, about the limitations the HCTS has set itself; tactically, can it be as effective as it was in the guise of a one-sided campaign group?

The point you make (above) I totally agree with and have said so previously; not addressing this makes any support of the HCST untenable.

 

[Newland Tiger]

Is Deano completely skint now ? He really seems desperate for any kind of job with the club

 

[Tony Angelino]

I think that the BPL in India trip showed some degree of sanction.

Generally in conversations that I have had about the name change, there does seem to be an acceptance that the FA will allow it to go ahead. The views expressed to me by several supporters is that they like us being in the top flight and if the price paid is a change in the clubs name, they may not like it but they will not stop going if it changes.

So are the FA then going to admit they didn't follow their own process correctly?

 

[Fez]

These

Sir D G Richards, The Premier League

Representatives of The Premier League (8)D Barnard (Chelsea FC)
M Byrne (Sunderland AFC)
D Eales (Tottenham Hotspur FC)
P Faulkner (Aston Villa)
P Alexander (Premier League)
I Gazidis (Arsenal)
D Gill (Manchester Utd FC)
TBC

Representatives of The Football League (8)A J Ambler (Millwall FC)
S R Bowker CBE (Independent)
G Clarke (FL Chairman)
K Lamb (Middlesbrough FC)
I Lenagan (Oxford United FC)
J Mostyn (Bournemouth AFC)
J Nixon (Carlisle United)
J Rodwell (Notts County FC)

Divisional RepresentativesDivision 1 - D Robinson, Billingham Synthonia FC
Division 2 - R Coar, Blackburn Rovers FC
Division 3 - A Shaw, Altrincham FC
Division 4 - J Moxey, Wolverhampton Wanderers FC
Division 5 - P M Hough, Doncaster Rovers FC
Division 6 - A Neville, Leicester City FC
Division 7 - S Webb, Ipswich Town FC
Division 8 - C Reeves, Poole Town FC
Division 9 - IL Beeks MBE, JP Wycombe Wanderers FC
Division 10 - JD Pearce, Bognor Regis Town FC

These, what?

 

[Tony Angelino]

Is Deano completely skint now ? He really seems desperate for any kind of job with the club

He carnt be skint he has property portfolio of houses he rents out that we could all make a tidy living out of.

 

[The Omega Man]

Me too, it's bollocks.

But who do you speak to about it other than on here Fez?

At least two influential members of CTWD have said to me that they now think Assem Allam will succeed. Even if it is rejected now there is nothing in the FA rules to stop any number of applications by a club, it could apply every season and unless Assem Allam can find a buyer willing to pay what he wants for the club, what has he got to lose by resubmitting his application time and time again.

 

[Fez]

Players and the media cannot use Hull Tigers and in some cases simply say Hull, instead of Hull City.

Much gets made of the 1904 chant, but it needs a countdown to get it started. CTWD appears to be struggling with its creditablilty.

On the one hand it makes statements that it wants to be involved in the community and yet its supporters resort to cyber bullying.

Anyone who has a view that is supportive of Hull Tigers gets verbally attacked for it, what next, physical attacks in the street!

You've just taken your argument to a whole new level - you're talking about 'supporters' who are not controllable, not easily identified as actually being members and hardly representative, just as those who go to extremes from the opposite viewpoint are not representative. I would, though, make the observation that pro-Hull Tigers has its very roots in lies, deception, manipulation and bullying, so I guess some things are led by example.

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

You are entitled to your own opinion, Chazz. What he has done within his own family is his and their affair, if you wish your children to consider him as a great life example then that is your affair, but I would not wish any authority promoting Windass as a lifestyle icon to any of my children, so I suggest you hold him up to the light of your children privately, not on a broadbrush basis.

It seems you speak for 'everyone' again, Chazz.

What a ****ing idiotic thing to say Mr Perfect. Windass is going in to talk about football not his ****ing divorce. So do you think your childrens teachers should all be happily married not suffer with M/H problems etc etc.
Because they do, its called real ****ing life.

 

[Obadiah]

If the FA allow the name change they will face a huge backlash from the wider football family. It would open them up to a legal challenge because Hull City did not comply with the Premier league rules in making its original application.

It could lose control of its right to decide on name changes, club strips, ground naming rights and many other things if parliament passes legislation to ensure supporters are consulted.

On top of all that there is the response between now and the end of the season from Hull City supporters.

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

A supporter of Hull Tigers slapped a young woman opposed to the name change, so we've already had one physical attack.

If you take a position you get a response, it comes with the territory. Only a naïve man would expect otherwise.

The 19:04 chant has been getting louder since the change of the Facebook page and "We say No" has made a reappearance.

CTWD have lost some credibility, yes, but not from the people you may think. If the FA changes its mind we'll see what Hull City Supporters Trust do, and if anything replaces it.

Have we really? Where was this, when was this and why have you kept quiet until now?
The police should be involved i take it? I hope so as thats disgusting.

 

[Sunbeam-Tiger]

Most of those against the name change keep going on about the history of the club but turn on one of the very legends who was a key part of that history.
It's a very sad indeed, those who booded should hang their heads in shame we don't need supporters like that.

 

[Obadiah]

But the 19.04 chant still needs a countdown to it and the versions sung in the second half on Thursday where taken up by more of the crowd.

Thats the whole problem with HCST and it will always be the problem, trusts founded out of protest cannot ever fully represent the supporter base. On here Fez points out that Dean Windass may not be a good role model to go into the community, but what about some members of HCST? Are they good role models?

Everything to do with public support involves credibility and that is going to be HCST biggest challenge.

You and I will always disagree about protest, I accept that. As I see it, the old CTWD would have by now come up with a statement about Dean Windass, along the lines of you disagree with his use of the term Hull Tigers, but do not condone the attacks on him on twitter, but now?

Have we really? Where was this, when was this and why have you kept quiet until now?
The police should be involved i take it? I hope so as thats disgusting.

I've mentioned it before on here.

 

[Obadiah]

Most of those against the name change keep going on about the history of the club but turn on one of the very legends who was a key part of that history.
It's a very sad indeed, those who booded should hang their heads in shame we don't need supporters like that.

Its about community, not just history.