Will Guidolin guide us to safety?

[ValleyGraduate12]

So explain why everything has come true what monk said and we are now worst off and favourites to go down. and why do everyone of his peers agree that we were mad to sack one of the best young managers to emerge in recent times and have made so many bad decisions like allowing the board to bring in players not suited, getting rid of dyer, selling an English international player to a rival. flying the world to get a manager that said not a chance, getting turned down by every decent manager looking for work, finally installing a manager nobody had heard of after telling the world that Curtis was to remain in charge until the end of the season and we are no better off now than when monk was here and instead worst off as there is not many games left.......Wake up smell the coffee and admit monk was right and the board and Jenkins were wrong and now we will pay for it.......

A good manager would have blocked these decisions or resigned. Monk would have walked into another job given the exploits of last season.

Yes the board have been nothing short of shambolic this past 12 months. They should have planned better and sacked Monk earlier.

 

[DragonPhilljack]

Dai - without wishing or intending to defend the Board, if Monk disagreed with signing Ayew, why pick him? He could have picked most, if not all of last season's team.

Monk didn't pick Tabanou or Eder.......

Did the players play for Monk? If not, why not?

That's all too obvious for Dai's brain box...........

 

[DragonPhilljack]

Dai - without wishing or intending to defend the Board, if Monk disagreed with signing Ayew, why pick him? He could have picked most, if not all of last season's team.

Monk didn't pick Tabanou or Eder.......

Did the players play for Monk? If not, why not?

That's all too obvious for Dai's brain box...........

 

[swanseaandproud]

Dai - without wishing or intending to defend the Board, if Monk disagreed with signing Ayew, why pick him? He could have picked most, if not all of last season's team.

Monk didn't pick Tabanou or Eder.......

Did the players play for Monk? If not, why not?

I think i mentioned this before...Monk did not have any choice he had to play the new lads like ayew and gomis because of the money we were paying them....you know the rest....monk was not happy as it ruined his plans and now we are witnessing the results... The board and Jenkins were wrong and it is them who have fuucked up a promising season after the season we had under monk. We were all talking about a possible top 6 finish before the season started if you care to go back and look....

 

[swanseaandproud]

A good manager would have blocked these decisions or resigned. Monk would have walked into another job given the exploits of last season.

Yes the board have been nothing short of shambolic this past 12 months. They should have planned better and sacked Monk earlier.

Dont be daft he tried his best and told the board he cant work like this......what can he do other than that...

 

[swanseaandproud]

why do you always have to add insults dragon ??? If lib or i did it as much as you we would be banned....Mods take note please

 

[Pete from Crete]

why do you always have to add insults dragon ??? If lib or i did it as much as you we would be banned....Mods take note please

But you do and you have!

 

[Taffvalerowdy]

I think i mentioned this before...Monk did not have any choice he had to play the new lads like ayew and gomis because of the money we were paying them....you know the rest....monk was not happy as it ruined his plans and now we are witnessing the results... The board and Jenkins were wrong and it is them who have fuucked up a promising season after the season we had under monk. We were all talking about a possible top 6 finish before the season started if you care to go back and look....

Dai - people (even Shelvey) were talking of a Champions League slot this season after taking 8 points from the first 4 games. Ayew & Gomis played in all those games.

Did we flatter to deceive?

Did Dyers's departure - for reasons alluded to on other threads - start the rot?

Irrespective of how much we are paying Gomis & Ayew, surely it would have been better to select his (Monk's) preferred/first choice side rather than run the risk of losing next year's PL jackpot?

 

[Terror ball]

Only a fool would blame monk after the way he saved the club and gave us our best ever season. Where we are today proves he was not to blame and the fault lays firmly at the bad decisions and underhanded ways from the boardroom. Monk is guilty of nothing more that arguing with Jenkins over it and Jenkins with no Backbone going against his superiors that put the end of any relationship with monk....I bet you any money Jenkins is sorry now as we are a few games away from relegation that he never listened to monk when he said the team he has got with the players the board bought are not the correct players for the club to move forward... Never a truer word spoken by monk as the table looks and the way the season has gone......There is no comparison to last season whatsoever.....Try blaming the right ones for once for the clubs demise (Quite ).....

(Lifted from another poster on another site....but I thought it relevant)


"Jefferson Montero is Not For Sale Insists Swansea Manager Garry Monk
London, Feb 18 (Prensa Latina) Garry Monk says it would be ''criminal'' for his Swansea squad to be broken up and insists none of his players are for sale, according to The South Evening Wales Post.

Monk was speaking after the Ecuadorian winger Jefferson Montero was linked with Middlesbrough, or Bayern Munich roumours.

But Monk, who steered Swansea to their best Barclays Premier League finish of eighth last season and has seen his team start well again with four points from the opening two games, pledged to keep his squad intact.

'To let that hard work go to waste would be criminal. This is the squad I want to go forward with and it is the squad we will go forward with, no-one is for sale and we're looking forward to the season".

Montero,26, has been in superb form in the opening two matches of the season, giving Chelsea full-back Branislav Ivanovic a torrid time in a 2-2 draw at Stamford Bridge and impressing again in the 2-0 victory over Newcastle in which his marker Daryl Janmaat was sent off for some rash challenges on the Ecuadorian.

'Jeff's done very well, he's come back really positive like the whole squad,' Monk said. 'He's had an excellent two games and hopefully he can be even better.

'He's contributing magnificently the way he's been playing, but they all are. There is a confidence in the group and training has stepped up another level from last year due to the competition and quality."







How do you explain this one away Dai?

 

[Matthew Bound Still Lurks]

I think i mentioned this before...Monk did not have any choice he had to play the new lads like ayew and gomis because of the money we were paying them....you know the rest....monk was not happy as it ruined his plans and now we are witnessing the results... The board and Jenkins were wrong and it is them who have fuucked up a promising season after the season we had under monk. We were all talking about a possible top 6 finish before the season started if you care to go back and look....

We had two decent results at the start of the season , so so against a very poor Newcastle side at home against 10 men , disorganised and disinterested against Watford , shambolic v Southampton and we declined to a stage where a blind man working his dog on Bonymaen park could have beaten us .He had every choice to pick from the "best " (not my words ) squad we've ever had with no injuries .We all make predictitions but thats all they are so whether it was said how high we would finish is irrelavant. Monk was blinkered , inexperienced and to be brutally frank no where near ready to manage a PL club , regardless of what happened last season he didn't have the nous to progress .The Board failings in this sorry episode has been inaction , he should have gone at least a month before he did,

 

[bigkidderz]

I look at Guidolin's games so far and see 4 games where, prior to the games, I'd have probably picked out one win. Everton away (loss), West Brom home (win), Crystal Palace home (draw) and Southampton home (draw) - that'd be 5 points. We picked up the 5 points but in a different manner. For me, Crystal Palace and Southampton, while winnable games, were always going to be difficult against teams who have had very good seasons to date. I think failing to get a point against Southampton and not beating West Brom are our main downfalls under Guidolin from a results basis.

He's got two games where the pressure is off (we tend to do well and pick up points when we aren't expected to - so hopefully our luck in this regard will strike again) - and then we need to make sure that we get 7-9 points in the next 3 games. Villa and Norwich are there for the taking and Bournemouth are beatable away. It's time to start winning the games that we should be winning. If we can get those 7 points or more from those 3 games, we'll be looking good to clear the pack before squeaky bum time. Lose 1 or 2 of those games and, unfortunately, we're going to likely be in the dogfight until the final day.

 

[ValleyGraduate12]

Dont be daft he tried his best and told the board he cant work like this......what can he do other than that...

Resign and walk into another job in the PL given his success last season as his stock will never be higher than what it was at the end of the season.

He could also have turned round and said if Dyer leaves he'll resign on the spot, and after our performances over Chelsea and Utd at the time, every club in the PL outside the top 6 would have been falling over for him.

 

[ValleyGraduate12]

why do you always have to add insults dragon ??? If lib or i did it as much as you we would be banned....Mods take note please

Can you point me to the relevant post please? Use the report button and I'll see the post.

 

[Stumpy]

Dont be daft he tried his best and told the board he cant work like this......what can he do other than that...

Dai, you silly billy. Yet again you're mixing fact with fantasy to wind up and confuse I think. Your quote above is absolutely incorrect.

It was the board who told Monk that HE (Monk) can't go on and work like this any more and not the other way around. Please do check with your "contacts" because, if they work within the organisation then they'll tell straight that your above statement is FALSE and incorrect.

Mine tell me this, In his first year the board tried to get coaches in to assist Monk but he refused their proposals and suggestions. Monk told the board, get the direction of events here Dai? that he'd chose his own back-room staff, not them. The board being either foolish or loyal decided to back Monk and 20-20 hind-site tells us that this was a huge mistake on their part.

Monk refuted the boards suggestions and chose to employ Beatie, an unemployed friend of his, chose to promote the inexperienced O'Leary, another friend, from coaching kids to being an invisible second in command at the same level as Clotet and chose to demote Curtis to be an assistant to the coaches, very different to an assistant coach, pushing Curtis down a level. imo only because Curtis knows more about coaching in general and the club than Monk knew at the time.

In the summer and in fact throughout Monks reign, the board tried in vane to persuade him that he needed to surround himself with experience but it was Monk who chose to ignore their pleas and demote the only experience, Curtis, in his new coaching team. My personal opinion now is that he ignored the board and demoted Curtis so as not to have any one disagreeing with him and so as not to share credit for any success he may have.

We are certainly paying for Monks nepotism and will continue to pay for it all the way to the last game of the season, hopefully not beyond.

I invite you to check the above with your many "contacts" Dai, to confirm or deny these points. I suggest we'll know for sure if you actually do have any "contacts" simply by the measure of degree of chippiness in your reply and we'll know for certain if you don't reply at all. Tell us what they say Dai

 

[seabreeze]

Only a fool would blame monk after the way he saved the club and gave us our best ever season. Where we are today proves he was not to blame and the fault lays firmly at the bad decisions and underhanded ways from the boardroom. Monk is guilty of nothing more that arguing with Jenkins over it and Jenkins with no Backbone going against his superiors that put the end of any relationship with monk....I bet you any money Jenkins is sorry now as we are a few games away from relegation that he never listened to monk when he said the team he has got with the players the board bought are not the correct players for the club to move forward... Never a truer word spoken by monk as the table looks and the way the season has gone......There is no comparison to last season whatsoever.....Try blaming the right ones for once for the clubs demise.....

The opposite .....

 

[DragonPhilljack]

why do you always have to add insults dragon ??? If lib or i did it as much as you we would be banned....Mods take note please

Chill now Dai! you have no freeness of speech to call it, because you have constantly called me an 'Idiot' and a 'muppet' regularly on this forum, and I have never protested to the mods over it, so bit of advice Dai, shut it you nugget........

 

[Nosugarman1]

How can anyone know what Monk did or didn't want or whether Monk wanted or didn't want Ayew or Gomis or what the Board said to Monk? We can all have a view or opinion but know! I don't think so. Changing course for a moment lads we are now certain to be alright because the four pundits on Gillette Soccer Special forecast that we are going down.

 

[ValleyGraduate12]

How can anyone know what Monk did or didn't want or whether Monk wanted or didn't want Ayew or Gomis or what the Board said to Monk? We can all have a view or opinion but know! I don't think so. Changing course for a moment lads we are now certain to be alright because the four pundits on Gillette Soccer Special forecast that we are going down.

We are also missing Jonjo according to Charlie Nicholas

 

[Matthew Bound Still Lurks]

We are also missing Jonjo according to Charlie Nicholas

Missing like missing a fart in a space suit or because his total commitment to the cause either one will fit the bill

 

[ValleyGraduate12]

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...wansea-city-winger-jefferson-montero-10921309

Forced to stop training by the coaching staff because he's pushing himself to the limit and risking injury. Makes it even more dumbfounded why he hasn't featured if he's working hard in training.
At least we could say 'fair enough' for him not playing if his attitude in training etc was poor, but this confirms the exact opposite.

 

[DragonPhilljack]

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...wansea-city-winger-jefferson-montero-10921309

Forced to stop training by the coaching staff because he's pushing himself to the limit and risking injury. Makes it even more dumbfounded why he hasn't featured if he's working hard in training.
At least we could say 'fair enough' for him not playing if his attitude in training etc was poor, but this confirms the exact opposite.

I think it might be his poor defensive game that's letting him down, though he did go off the boil big time this season, and is clearly working on it, which is good to hear, hope we see him in games soon, we need his skills on the left wing if we are to get results, especially against the big teams.......