Wickham won't sign

[WearsidePride]

I don't think he's a bad footballer, I just suspect that he doesn't fit our system well.

He got bags of potential mate, no denying that, but potential is pretty common, most don't fulfil it, the fact that he is the best striker at the club(I think he probably is) to me shows, despite the millions spent, that our pool of strikers is shocking. 4 strikers, £31m spent and our best option is raw potential? That to me says it all. Can't wait for Gus to have his own pool of strikers to pick from because our previous managers/DoF have completely and utterly failed imo.

Do You think Gus would have signed any of our 4 strikers this summer had they been available for transfer from another club? I don't think so myself like.
I'd love to be able to ask him that

So who would you suggest we could get that is better than our current strike force?

Fletcher is a proven goal scorer at this level. One bad season of injury doesn't make him a bad player. I've got full belief he will score goals for us this year.

Wickham has got good feet, big and strong, good in the air, and doesn't lack pace.

We are 2 games into the season, and to judge them now is a tad silly (not saying your judging them after 2 games, but some are)

Let's give them 10 games together at least, and if they don't work, then look to replace in jan.

If we sell them now, who do you suggest we bring in?

 

[Sunderpitt]

No strikers (except Graham and Altidore) should leave the club until other betters ones are signed and brought in. I am a fan of Fletcher but he was hopeless on Sunday, at least Wickham looked as if he was trying.

It does look as if some toys have been thrown out of prams regarding his new contract...however all toys can be picked up and put back again and baby, i am sure will be happy and forget earlier events. Harsh words words, so called slights all can be forgotten, they just need to kiss and make up.

IIRC make-up sex is the best sort anyhow.

 

[Brian Storm]

So who would you suggest we could get that is better than our current strike force?

Fletcher is a proven goal scorer at this level. One bad season of injury doesn't make him a bad player. I've got full belief he will score goals for us this year.

Wickham has got good feet, big and strong, good in the air, and doesn't lack pace.

We are 2 games into the season, and to judge them now is a tad silly (not saying your judging them after 2 games, but some are)

Let's give them 10 games together at least, and if they don't work, then look to replace in jan.

If we sell them now, who do you suggest we bring in?

Borini, Welbeck, hernandez, Adabayor, Eto, Naismith, Podolski and Ba. Too late for Bendtner and Zarate but those would have done me too.

 

[Lostinvegas]

So who would you suggest we could get that is better than our current strike force?

Fletcher is a proven goal scorer at this level. One bad season of injury doesn't make him a bad player. I've got full belief he will score goals for us this year.

Wickham has got good feet, big and strong, good in the air, and doesn't lack pace.

We are 2 games into the season, and to judge them now is a tad silly (not saying your judging them after 2 games, but some are)

Let's give them 10 games together at least, and if they don't work, then look to replace in jan.

If we sell them now, who do you suggest we bring in?

The above is a really good point and to get better than we already have would cost a fortune. For instance look at how much Lukaku cost Everton (definitely better than what we have got). For me the only upgrade I can see who we could possibly sign who has premier league experience and is great at playing the lone striker role would be Benteke from Villa. To get him would probably cost 20+m and massive massive wages beyond our current wage budget. Plus he is currently injured.

We have ****ed ourselves because of Wickhams contract situation, but then again go back 12 months would you have offered him a new deal then when we were in turmoil?

 

[Brian Storm]

So who would you suggest we could get that is better than our current strike force?

Fletcher is a proven goal scorer at this level. One bad season of injury doesn't make him a bad player. I've got full belief he will score goals for us this year.

Wickham has got good feet, big and strong, good in the air, and doesn't lack pace.

We are 2 games into the season, and to judge them now is a tad silly (not saying your judging them after 2 games, but some are)

Let's give them 10 games together at least, and if they don't work, then look to replace in jan.

If we sell them now, who do you suggest we bring in?

Oh and just because you judge wickham off 6 games doesn't mean I'm judging him off two. He's been at the club for three years. That's what I judge people on, their whole career with us. Don't put me in your basket fella. Connor has been played out of position. Why would I judge him on two games? Think about it. Maybe you should tell me what you think instead of telling me what I think as you're not taking in what I'm saying, I've already stated clearly that I wasn't judging him on two games.

post 32. You responded to it yourself.

My opinions on them are from watching them through their sunderland career, not two games.

 

[Poyet's Eleven]

I rate Wickham & hope he stays at the club for years to come.

I don't really rate Fletcher, he's a decent finisher, but he's rarely involved in the game, can we really afford that? I don't think so. I'd keep him this season, but wouldn't move forward with him.

I rate Jozy, he doesn't shy away. Always involved

 

[WearsidePride]

Oh and just because you judge wickham off 6 games doesn't mean I'm judging him off two. He's been at the club for three years. That's what I judge people on, their whole career with us. Don't put me in your basket fella. Connor has been played out of position. Why would I judge him on two games? Think about it. Maybe you should tell me what you think instead of telling me what I think as you're not taking in what I'm saying, I've already stated clearly that I wasn't judging him on two games.

post 32. You responded to it yourself.

I said you wasn't judging them on 2 games? Why go into all of that when I've already said that?

Neither am I judging him on 6 games. I've stated on here before he was given a chance that I thought he should be playing. I've always thought Connor was a good player, and there will be statements from me on here to prove that.

 

[WearsidePride]

Borini, Welbeck, hernandez, Adabayor, Eto, Naismith, Podolski and Ba. Too late for Bendtner and Zarate but those would have done me too.

Ok..

Borini - doesn't want to come.

Eto - gone to Everton

Welbeck - a slim possibility, but doubfult he would come.

Hernandez - there will be plenty ahead of us in the pecking order.

Adebyor - plays every week for Tottenham? Why on earth would he come here??

Naismith - Everton regular, no chance.

Poldoski - laughable. Not only wouldn't he come here, his wages would be too much.

Ba - also laughable. Will be on fortunes in Turkey.

There is only welbeck & borini in that list who we'd have a remote chance of getting. And if neither wanted to come (one already doesn't), you're list is full of delusion.

Sorry mate. I can't agree on anything you've said to me in this thread.

You're a good lad, but you're well of the mark football wise IMO.

 

[The Relic]

Can I put a slightly different slant on the Wickham thing? I agree with both sides on judging him on 5 games or 2 games. But it's equally dangerous to judge him on three years! He came here at 18 years old, a bit of a playboy reputation, and like so many at that age, was probably fitted with a head a bit too large for his own good. Three successive managers have wanted him away on loan, and they can't all have been spiteful pricks. I think his attitude was probably why he wasn't given much of a chance.

The fact is, we have very little to judge him by as a 21 year-old who might have grown up a bit now. Gus has had him back at the club a few months now, got to know him in training, and says he wants to keep him. So that's the only sensible thing I can see. However, he must realize he's only had a few good games for us, and can't expect us to pay massive wages. I'd keep him on a slightly better one-year contract with further talks in December or next summer. That buys the club time to assess him properly, and doesn't tie him down for any long period if our final offer doesn't meet his requirements.

 

[Brian Storm]

Sorry mate. I can't agree on anything you've said to me in this thread.

You're a good lad, but you're well of the mark football wise IMO.

To be honest mate, forming your whole opinion on 6 games tells me all I need to know too. There's lads on here with more football knowledge than us both put together who think forming such an opinion on such a short space of time is daft and like me are still on the fence on weather he'll make as Premiership footballer. I'm not saying he doesn't have potential, I'm saying I'm not sure he'll a. fullfil it and b. he's a good enough fit for the system. I don't think that not being convinced shows bad football knowledge. It's not like i've put all my eggs in one basket is it? I also don't think it's bad football knowledge to believe we'd be better off with gradually replacing them with Poyets own men. I'm happy where I stand.

You're a sound too fella. Was hoping to meet you before the Man U game. Shame you couldn't make the meet.

 

[Lostinvegas]

Borini to come in to play upfront. Salah or Kalou to play on the left.

Wickham to go to Westham.

 

[C19RK73]

Bit weird, sunderlands top scorer odds, no wickham on the list???

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/sunderland/top-league-goalscorer

 

[Nads]

Can I put a slightly different slant on the Wickham thing? I agree with both sides on judging him on 5 games or 2 games. But it's equally dangerous to judge him on three years! He came here at 18 years old, a bit of a playboy reputation, and like so many at that age, was probably fitted with a head a bit too large for his own good. Three successive managers have wanted him away on loan, and they can't all have been spiteful pricks. I think his attitude was probably why he wasn't given much of a chance.

The fact is, we have very little to judge him by as a 21 year-old who might have grown up a bit now. Gus has had him back at the club a few months now, got to know him in training, and says he wants to keep him. So that's the only sensible thing I can see. However, he must realize he's only had a few good games for us, and can't expect us to pay massive wages. I'd keep him on a slightly better one-year contract with further talks in December or next summer. That buys the club time to assess him properly, and doesn't tie him down for any long period if our final offer doesn't meet his requirements.

Every post you make makes perfect snese mate, post more