Why we've gone down imo

[Brian Storm]

Each manager was vastly different from his predecessor and Short, or whoever was advising him, appears never to have had a clear idea of how they wanted the team to play or how they wanted the playing sode of things to be run. The clearest example of the fuzzy thinking, imo, is the speed with which he adopted and then abandoned the director of football system. It was never given the the chance to bed in properly. He's just made a series of knee jerk decisions.
As for Moyes, he's made plenty of mistakes and I don't think that the circumstances at the club are sufficient mitigation for his own poor decisions and odd demeanour. His appointment is, however, just another example of Short's lack of knowledge and understanding. He was the wrong man at the wrong time.

Agree with all that. It's created a strange old mishmash of a squad we have isn't it.

 

[The Norton Cat]

Agree with all that. It's created a strange old mishmash of a squad we have isn't it.

He only had to look at the examples set by Swansea (up until this season) and Southampton to see how to run a football club. Or even Stoke. If he'd done that, a relegation earlier in his tenure, to allow a clear and thought out system to be established, would have arguably been less damaging and easier to come back from.

 

[Smug in Boots]

I'd rather have gone down with di Canio blowing the club apart, with fight & passion, than this gutless capitulation.

There's an apathy things clings to the club like fleas on a monkey's crutch.

If we 'hold on' to the likes of Moyes, Kone, Rodwell, etc, we'll never shake it off.

We need to create an identity of energy & determination instead of this dreary bloody lethargy.

When the players kicked off because di Canio wanted them to train properly, eat properly and behave properly that said it all for me.

Short will be there for years so we should shelve any thoughts of a quick solution.

Arab Sheikhs, and Russian oligarchs, have absolutely no interest in buying a club in a town on the far NE coast.

As things stand Short is the best bet because he's the only bet.

We can only hope he starts to make the right decisions and have his appointments actually do the job they're paid for.

 

[The Norton Cat]

I'd rather have gone down with di Canio blowing the club apart, with fight & passion, than this gutless capitulation.

There's an apathy things clings to the club like fleas on a monkey's crutch.

If we 'hold on' to the likes of Moyes, Kone, Rodwell, etc, we'll never shake it off.

We need to create an identity of energy & determination instead of this dreary bloody lethargy.

When the players kicked off because di Canio wanted them to train properly, eat properly and behave properly that said it all for me.

Short will be there for years so we should shelve any thoughts of a quick solution.

Arab Sheikhs, and Russian oligarchs, have absolutely no interest in buying a club in a town on the far NE coast.

As things stand Short is the best bet because he's the only bet.

We can only hope he starts to make the right decisions and have his appointments actually do the job they're paid for.

Amen to that. If di Canio had been allowed to fashion our club in his own image we'd have been a force to be reckoned with.
He's portrayed as some kind of madman but he's ultra disciplined and madly passionate about football.

 

[Smug in Boots]

Amen to that. If di Canio had been allowed to fashion our club in his own image we'd have been a force to be reckoned with.
He's portrayed as some kind of madman but he's ultra disciplined and madly passionate about football.

Yes mate, mainly by the same players who've let us down season after season with their lack of discipline & passion

 

[rooch 3]

Of definitely, but why? I'd say it's the amount of managers who had 1 or 2 windows max to start building their own team only to be sacked. What we have is evolving squad of multiple managers 1st transfer phases. How can we possibly fashion identity and playing style that way? Can't really as it's fusion of other peoples ideas crammed together regardless of whether it works or not.

Ultimately it's Short's lack of patience in his own decisions which has got us in this mess. Sacking Di Canio set the tone. Should never have sacked, him. He knew back then the squad wasn't right. It may have got worse before it had got better under Di Canio but we'd be carved out of stone by now.

Here Here. Did I ever mention I loved Di Canio

 

[Nacho]

Amen to that. If di Canio had been allowed to fashion our club in his own image we'd have been a force to be reckoned with.
He's portrayed as some kind of madman but he's ultra disciplined and madly passionate about football.

Not sure how good a manager he is though he hasn't worked in football since we sacked him. Allardyce is the one that got away for me.

 

[leez]

prob because you lot did not had enough points ..that is the real reason ..

 

[Brian Storm]

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[Nostalgic]

People are being a bit selective about what they are remembering about our problems over the years:

DiCanio. One derby win made him a hero. But he also gave us such wonder loss results as 6-1 against Villa and one point from 7 games where his tactics were all over the place. He was a legend in his own mind.
Moyes. Useless because he lost a semi against us in a penalty shoot out where the players missed four pens. Managers fault?
Stoke, Soton, WBA etc. According to some on here we were too big a club to be compared to them and we would not countenance the likes of Hughes, Allerdyce or Pulis as their style of football was not entertaining enough or would take us to the next level - whatever that is.

For me this year has been a long time in the making as we have been unstable through a lack of continuity and the need to stay up. Now we pay the price so why play the blame game and pile it all onto those who made mistakes for the right reasons at the time? Just ask yourselves this question: How many clubs could have sustained our injury list and not struggled.

I am as hurt as anyone else, but can see how we got here without deluding myself that it is all down to this season.

 

[mackemwelder]

Of definitely, but why? I'd say it's the amount of managers who had 1 or 2 windows max to start building their own team only to be sacked. What we have is evolving squad of multiple managers 1st transfer phases. How can we possibly fashion identity and playing style that way? Can't really as it's fusion of other peoples ideas crammed together regardless of whether it works or not.

Ultimately it's Short's lack of patience in his own decisions which has got us in this mess. Sacking Di Canio set the tone. Should never have sacked, him. He knew back then the squad wasn't right. It may have got worse before it had got better under Di Canio but we'd be carved out of stone by now.

Couldn't agree mare mate

 

[rooch 3]

People are being a bit selective about what they are remembering about our problems over the years:

DiCanio. One derby win made him a hero. But he also gave us such wonder loss results as 6-1 against Villa and one point from 7 games where his tactics were all over the place. He was a legend in his own mind.
Moyes. Useless because he lost a semi against us in a penalty shoot out where the players missed four pens. Managers fault?
Stoke, Soton, WBA etc. According to some on here we were too big a club to be compared to them and we would not countenance the likes of Hughes, Allerdyce or Pulis as their style of football was not entertaining enough or would take us to the next level - whatever that is.

For me this year has been a long time in the making as we have been unstable through a lack of continuity and the need to stay up. Now we pay the price so why play the blame game and pile it all onto those who made mistakes for the right reasons at the time? Just ask yourselves this question: How many clubs could have sustained our injury list and not struggled.

I am as hurt as anyone else, but can see how we got here without deluding myself that it is all down to this season.

So you are saying that the players who he knew were s hit and didn't listen to a word he told them and have carried on doing the same and have now got us relegated was De Canio's fault open your f ucking eyes man he told us this 4 years ago.

 

[Gil T Azell]

Good opening post Bri.

 

[Smug in Boots]

So you are saying that the players who he knew were s hit and didn't listen to a word he told them and have carried on doing the same and have now got us relegated was De Canio's fault open your f ucking eyes man he told us this 4 years ago.

I was at West Brom ... when we lost 3-0 iirc.

Di Canio set the team up and we went out to force them narrow, keep the game tight and attack en masse when we had the ball.

The players decided to abandon that, at 0-0, and force the game ..... di Canio was screaming at them to keep their shape.

We lost a goal and went to pieces.

At the end di Canio had the balls to come over to the away support, some understood what he was saying & some didn't.

The players went crying to teacher and that was that ....... some of them are still here.

 

[red&white wanderer]

Allerdyce was the answer, we lost him

Bri was right in his initial overview of the state of the club BUT Moyes is not the charismatic manager we need currently
His fighting qualities and drive may return in the feeder league - but we need to seriously regroup and recover - next step is Shorts ...
After reflection I'm pretty certain we all agree -changes are seriously called for.
Our U23's may be a large part of our team next season with a winning mindset

 

[Squint Eye]

Amen to that. If di Canio had been allowed to fashion our club in his own image we'd have been a force to be reckoned with.
He's portrayed as some kind of madman but he's ultra disciplined and madly passionate about football.

Never thought I would see the words 'madman' and 'disciplined' used at the same time in the same sentence to describe the same person
On a serious note, di Canio was a short-term solution to the long-term problem. IMHO, the di Canios of this world are as useful as the firefighter in that sense. When the fire has been put out, they stop being useful.

 

[Nostalgic]

So you are saying that the players who he knew were s hit and didn't listen to a word he told them and have carried on doing the same and have now got us relegated was De Canio's fault open your f ucking eyes man he told us this 4 years ago.

Nothing wrong with eyesight or memory. The game just before the bust-up with the players was at WBA and Colback was being slaughtered by their right winger and Anelka and we were two down in no time. Giacchorini wanted to go back to double up but PDC indicated he stay wide left on the half way line, and this was beautifully caught on camera.

He demanded the players go in for extra training the next day when his dubious strategy was the fault. He took no blame whatsoever when players were looking over to him. Remember also the gestures he made to the travelling fans when he pointed to his own shoulders either to say he was big enough to take it or it was on him for a 4-0 loss. They let him know that he would not be manager much longer and he was gone without loss.

 

[Brian Storm]

Nothing wrong with eyesight or memory. The game just before the bust-up with the players was at WBA and Colback was being slaughtered by their right winger and Anelka and we were two down in no time. Giacchorini wanted to go back to double up but PDC indicated he stay wide left on the half way line, and this was beautifully caught on camera.

He demanded the players go in for extra training the next day when his dubious strategy was the fault. He took no blame whatsoever when players were looking over to him. Remember also the gestures he made to the travelling fans when he pointed to his own shoulders either to say he was big enough to take it or it was on him for a 4-0 loss. They let him know that he would not be manager much longer and he was gone without loss.

Would you share that clip please?

 

[Nostalgic]

Would you share that clip please?

Unfortunately not Bri. PdC was sitting down and Giacchorini was doing the talking but all PdC did was point to the half way line. His fall out with the fans is on YouTube though.

 

[rooch 3]

Nothing wrong with eyesight or memory. The game just before the bust-up with the players was at WBA and Colback was being slaughtered by their right winger and Anelka and we were two down in no time. Giacchorini wanted to go back to double up but PDC indicated he stay wide left on the half way line, and this was beautifully caught on camera.

He demanded the players go in for extra training the next day when his dubious strategy was the fault. He took no blame whatsoever when players were looking over to him. Remember also the gestures he made to the travelling fans when he pointed to his own shoulders either to say he was big enough to take it or it was on him for a 4-0 loss. They let him know that he would not be manager much longer and he was gone without loss.

Fair enough if that is the way you see it, the only person who was willing to stand up to them and they didn't like it got the sack, you backed them so you have got what you deserved mate.