When Will Starmer Go?

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One of the several weaknesses of our first-past-the-post Parliamentary system.

Nobody ever votes for a Coalition. It is the antithesis of Democracy.
Better to run a fresh General Election every Thursday, until there is a single party majority.
 
One of the several weaknesses of our first-past-the-post Parliamentary system.

Nobody ever votes for a Coalition. It is the antithesis of Democracy.
Better to run a fresh General Election every Thursday, until there is a single party majority.
Sobering thought that Labour won a ‘landslide majority’ in 2024 with just 14% of the British public voting for them. How can that be right ? And Starmer got less votes than Corbyn did in 2019.

At the next GE, current polls have Reform leading by a fair margin but not enough to gain a majority so would have to enter a coalition but even with the Tories wouldn’t have enough and no one else would team with them. So you’d then get Labour, Greens and Lib Dem’s forming a coalition Government which would be the furthest to the left that this country has ever seen at a time when a right wing party got the most votes.

Marvellous system we have.
 
Perhaps only taxpayers & pensioners who have worked should be allowed to vote.

Society has a duty to care for those who cannot work and contribute by paying taxes (for whatever reason), but does society have a duty to let those people vote?
 
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Perhaps only taxpayers & pensioners who have worked should be allowed to vote.

Society has a duty to care for those who genuinely cannot work and contribute by paying taxes (), but does society have a duty to let those people vote?
What a marvellous idea. Shame it’ll never happen.

But I have to amend your second paragraph slightly.
 
I did use the word 'cannot' rather than the term 'will not' or 'choose not to'.

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Apologies, I've drifted off topic. This hasn't anything to do with Starmer going or not.
I get the impression he is a bit chuffed right now, because nobody jumped on the Scottish Labour leader's bandwagon.

Perhaps he can explain how this current chaos differs from the Johnson / Truss / Sunak musical chairs.
Wasn't there supposed to be change from all that rot when the Tories were booted out?
 
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I did use the word 'cannot' rather than the term 'will not' or 'choose not to'.

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Apologies, I've drifted off topic. This hasn't anything to do with Starmer going or not.
I get the impression he is a bit chuffed right now, because nobody jumped on the Scottish Labour leader's bandwagon.
All perfectly close enough to Starmer going in my opinion. Topics can and do drift slightly.

As long as every thread doesn’t end up talking about Reams, Mundell, seriouslyred or aaronaldo then all good :emoticon-0105-wink:
 
Perhaps only taxpayers & pensioners who have worked should be allowed to vote.

Society has a duty to care for those who cannot work and contribute by paying taxes (for whatever reason), but does society have a duty to let those people vote?
Universal suffrage, with the exceptions we have now, means what it says. Start tampering with who can and can't vote and that's a dangerous thin end of the wedge. It's straight from the Dame Shirley Porter handbook.
 
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Starmer is safer now.

Will still be of great interest to see the May local council election results in around 7 weeks' time.
Will his defiance of Trump help to bring out more Labour voters? Maybe.
Enough to make a difference?

There will likely be many developments in the War between now and those elections.
 
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Tbf I think he’s handled it pretty well
More impressive now that he's stopped grovelling. Government decisions appear to be being made by cabinet discussions rather than an inner coterie of advisors.
At the end of the day though it's the economy, stoopid.
 
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I agree that he has handled the war situation well and that has taken the pressure off at home. May will still be a bloodbath though as UK voters are more concerned about all the f*ck ups he has made here, rather than him having made one correct decision not to blindly support Trump.
 
I agree that he has handled the war situation well and that has taken the pressure off at home. May will still be a bloodbath though as UK voters are more concerned about all the f*ck ups he has made here, rather than him having made one correct decision not to blindly support Trump.
A foreign war (justified) didn't do much harm for a lame duck Thatcher at the time. :emoticon-0138-think


The views expressed in my posts are not necessarily mine.
 
Wars throw up historic changes in British politics.
Britain's greatest ever Prime Minister was appointed (not elected) during the first year of the Second World War.

It is not an over-simplification to say that without the steadfast and unflinching hatred of and opposition to Adolf Hitler shown by Winston Churchill, Germany would have defeated Britain, and might have gone on to defeat the Soviet Union as well (without other fronts like the Mediterranean and North Africa to drain the resources of the Nazis in 1941).
Churchill saved Western European civilisation from a new Dark age.

Yet it was Neville Chamberlain who declared War on Germany.
And it was Chamberlain's diplomacy which won vital time for Britain to belatedly build up the RAF and Army in the last year or so before the War began (to add to the unrivalled strength of the Royal Navy in that era). It seems though that Chamberlain is only remembered as a weak Prime Minister, who was not up to the job of opposing Hitler.
A rather harsh verdict in my view.

The Iran War is raising Keir Starmer in the view of many people here at present.
He has many flaws, and has been astoundingly tone-deaf on many crucial domestic issues.
But he has behaved with restraint and dignity. A reflection of those qualities shown by President Zelensky and several other European Leaders.
Our leaders in Western Europe, for all their various flaws, conduct themselves as respectable Statesmen.
Not lap dogs to a loose cannon who is losing touch with reality.