Most of Reform are lumped in with the last of the last two lots. Reform are also time travellers, they're 1950's Tories.
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When Will Starmer Go?
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The views expressed in my posts are not necessarily mine.
At least we all agree on here that Reform would be better than The GreensMost of Reform are lumped in with the last of the last two lots. Reform are also time travellers, they're 1950's Tories.
The views expressed in my posts are not necessarily mine.
A pox on them both. Radical King's Speech tomorrow please, use the majority they've so far squandered.At least we all agree on here that Reform would be better than The Greens
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Erm noAt least we all agree on here that Reform would be better than The Greens
None of the Parties (old or new, centre-ground or radical) can deliver on their promises.
Strip away the online propaganda & fake news. The real lives of millions of real people struggling to make ends meet will not improve.
Not under a Tory, Green, Reform or Coalition Government.
After 30+ years of poor political leadership, the problems crippling the UK go far deeper than the ability of any Government to fix.
Keir Starmer has found that out.
His unpopular blunders (winter fuel, National Insurance & Mandelson) will cost him his job.
But nobody is offering real solutions. Because there are none within the boundaries of peaceful politics and civil order.
the Greens say they'll crucify the rich. Popular with the left.
Reform say they'll crucify migrants. Popular with the right.
It was the same in Germany in 1930. And in England too.
Communists vs Nazis.
Mosley's black-shirts vs anti-Fascists.
Only the names have changed.
I think it was Ian Hislop who said recently on Have I got news for you "This isn't Weimar".
An ironic and insightful comment.
Strip away the online propaganda & fake news. The real lives of millions of real people struggling to make ends meet will not improve.
Not under a Tory, Green, Reform or Coalition Government.
After 30+ years of poor political leadership, the problems crippling the UK go far deeper than the ability of any Government to fix.
Keir Starmer has found that out.
His unpopular blunders (winter fuel, National Insurance & Mandelson) will cost him his job.
But nobody is offering real solutions. Because there are none within the boundaries of peaceful politics and civil order.
the Greens say they'll crucify the rich. Popular with the left.
Reform say they'll crucify migrants. Popular with the right.
It was the same in Germany in 1930. And in England too.
Communists vs Nazis.
Mosley's black-shirts vs anti-Fascists.
Only the names have changed.
I think it was Ian Hislop who said recently on Have I got news for you "This isn't Weimar".
An ironic and insightful comment.
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At least we all agree on here that Reform would be better than The Greens
No chance. It’s Keir “boring, middle of the road, what’s the least I can get away with” Starmer, don’t forget.A pox on them both. Radical King's Speech tomorrow please, use the majority they've so far squandered.
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And if he still refuses to step down, how long will it be before we see left wing Labour MP’s voting against government policy in order to shift him so they can bring in their most beloved Messiah, the great, the one and only, the Saviour…….Andy Burnham.
There's no such thing as a safe Labour seat for Burnham to parachute in. He must be mad to want to leave a job where he's successful and popular for one where he'll be unpopular and a failure. Maybe wanting the job makes anyone who does want it unfit for it. Sort of Catch-22.
The whole of politics in the UK is in a mess. We need a Government/party to become as Teresa May said 'The nasty party' because I'm afraid that is what is required. We need unpopular decisions to be taken. We are reaching the point where they will be forced upon us anyway. The left side of politics don't seem to realise it or if they do even worse don't care. I think the centre and right do but know that to say it would be electoral suicide. Andy Burnham says we shouldn't be in hock to the bond markets, but in reality whether he likes it or not we are. I had hopes that Starmer and Reeves had realised. Clearly not.
You seem to be describing Nigel Farage - apart from the fact that he does say things which some would say are electoral suicide, but at the moment are proving to be anything but.
That is absolutely spot on.
It’s been hilarious over the past two days watching all the leftie Labour MP’s being interviewed and saying how Andy Burnham is the man. Then when asked if they would give up their relatively safe seat to try to get him back into parliament it’s every excuse you can think of why it shouldn’t be their seat and it should be someone else that makes the sacrifice. They’re all a bunch of self-serving, egotistical twats with zero moral compass.
The electorate won't vote the way the Labour Party tells them to vote if Burnham tries to parachute in. They'll vote whatever way they want, depending what part of the country it is. He'd just end up with egg on his face, and Labour will become even more unpopular.
Bill Clinton said that when he dies he wants to come back as the bond markets, because then he can bully everybody.
I also think if Starmer had any cojones he would threaten to call a general election now. (maybe he has in the background). That would sharpen the minds of the left wing MPs who keep demanding more and more public spending and higher taxes. He needs to remind them how the Laffer curve works and that we are already at or very near the peak. I know Labour have a huge majority and could vote it down, but then the bond markets would go through the roof and a real economic crisis would be triggered by selfish Labour MPs. The public would never forgive them.
You are right unfortunately I am describing Nigel Farage and Reform. Whether he would do what is necessary if in power is open to question. However, maybe just maybe the electorate are ahead of the other parties in realising what is required.
There is no civilised way to do what Mr Farage wants to do.
He will need a majority in the Commons to do it. I don't believe the Conservatives would have a strong enough stomach to vote in support, as junior Coalition partners. Perhaps a few Ulster Unionists might consider doing so.
Then the Parliament Act will eventually have to be used to override objections from the House of Lords.
Assuming Reform can get the key laws they want through Parliament , there will then be violent resistance on the streets.
Emergency powers, curfews, deployment of the Army and internment will then follow.
At that point all bets will be off regarding the future of democracy in England.
Apologies, somewhat off-topic.
But there is naturally some overlap in these matters.
Keir Starmer means well I expect. But he is in way, way over his head.
He will need a majority in the Commons to do it. I don't believe the Conservatives would have a strong enough stomach to vote in support, as junior Coalition partners. Perhaps a few Ulster Unionists might consider doing so.
Then the Parliament Act will eventually have to be used to override objections from the House of Lords.
Assuming Reform can get the key laws they want through Parliament , there will then be violent resistance on the streets.
Emergency powers, curfews, deployment of the Army and internment will then follow.
At that point all bets will be off regarding the future of democracy in England.
Apologies, somewhat off-topic.
But there is naturally some overlap in these matters.
Keir Starmer means well I expect. But he is in way, way over his head.
I think we’ve talked about this before. If Farage or someone else doesn’t act now then they will just keep coming - hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions - there is no end to the numbers of the worlds migrants. Then the country will turn to anarchy anyway. Personally I’d rather go down fighting now than just sit on my hands saying it’s all too difficult to sort out.
Ginger minge was interviewed a year ago and said NEVER would she want the hot seat.