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flandersmackem said:
I disagree with you, Moyes has spent 27 million on Love and McNair (waste of money) Djilobodji (complete waste of money) and N'Dong (jury is out, although looks decent) A manger is judged by his buys and tactics. His buys are awful and his tactics are questionable at best. He failed to buy a striker and told the world after 180 minutes of football of the new season....we are in a relegation scrap. That did wonders for his recruitment for the rest of the transfer window didn't it?
I actually thought a few weeks ago he could turn this around, the more I see and hear from him, the more I see a dead man walking. Short hasn't covered himself in glory at our club, but he IS the owner. The fall guy will always be the manager, and ours right now hasn't got a clue. Get big Sam back asap...
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Bony was sat with Moyes about to sign a contract until his agent got a call from Stoke offering massively more than we could (apparently they nearly doubled our £85k offer) and he would've been our new record signing - I think this "he's had no money to spend" is rubbish - we only see things from the outside - I know he's had a number of players from talking to someone definitely ITK (off the record unfortunately so I can't say who but he used to play for SAFC) - there were 4 players who would make a big difference to the side who got much better offers from other clubs - all were willing to sign for us until these big money offers came in and also would've meant we'd spent in the region of £45m in the close season - so he has had money there but been unable to spend it.

Oh - and I'm on the fence re moyes - his decision to bring Januzaj on and play him on the wing on Saturday cost us any slim hope of gaining a point. Billy Jones was very solid until then and was left to deal with 2 coming forward for their second goal (they had nothing from that side until then)
 
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flandersmackem said:
I didn't see anything to suggest Papy was a Sam Target, but even if he was, I actually believe that Sam would get more out of the kid. Moyes is one of the most negative coaches I have ever heard. His motivation qualities are zero.
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And the fans singing "we're ****ing ****..." is motivational? How can we expect a manager to come out with fight and positivity when the fans do that? All the ones singing it should not bother going next time - I would prefer the stadium to be empty than us singing that. What good can it do?
 
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The Norton Cat said:
I'd agree on both counts but I think we'll go down with Moyes in charge and then I fear we're more likely to see League 1 than the Premier League. He's so cautious, embodied for me by putting 10 men behind the ball with 15 minutes to go against West Ham when they (or their fans at least) were getting rattled. That lead to us losing, rather than the draw he clearly wanted.
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Man City he did the same thing - taking Defoe off for McNair was a really **** choice
Vs Arsenal he tried the opposite with Januzaj for Piennar - the latter was on a yellow and clearly waning, we were in with a chance and on top.
Not Moyes fault the defence lost the plot again.

****ed if he does, ****ed if he don't....having midfielders back who can protect theback four is gonna be v. important
 
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marcusblackcat said:
And the fans singing "we're ****ing ****..." is motivational? How can we expect a manager to come out with fight and positivity when the fans do that? All the ones singing it should not bother going next time - I would prefer the stadium to be empty than us singing that. What good can it do?
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We are ****ing **** - what's your problem with honesty?
 
marcusblackcat said:
And the fans singing "we're ****ing ****..." is motivational? How can we expect a manager to come out with fight and positivity when the fans do that? All the ones singing it should not bother going next time - I would prefer the stadium to be empty than us singing that. What good can it do?
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Because is PAID to do the job, its is precisely why he is there to buy, pick and motivate a team. This isn;t a job for the fans in any way shape or form. If they did what they are paid to do and showed some actually passions, then the fans would be right behind them...no problem. Having said all that, if thats what the fans were singing, then that is crap...I genuinely didn;t hear that on the TV.
 
flandersmackem said:
Because is PAID to do the job, its is precisely why he is there to buy, pick and motivate a team. This isn;t a job for the fans in any way shape or form. If they did what they are paid to do and showed some actually passions, then the fans would be right behind them...no problem. Having said all that, if thats what the fans were singing, then that is crap...I genuinely didn;t hear that on the TV.
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I think fans should motivate a team - two way street for me - it is what we did until we went a goal behind in the second half - the fans were pretty good until then - the team actually did alright until then too TBH.

But in the south stand, there were a lot of people singing it - definitely. Even said to one of them in front of me "Aye you're right, you are **** as a fan" which I maybe shouldn;t have considering he's 6' 2" but he was all mouth and started saying "We could've won this, they're ****" to which I decided not to listen (Arsenal were and are not **** and few expected much other than defeated - hope but not expect)
 
marcusblackcat said:
And the fans singing "we're ****ing ****..." is motivational? How can we expect a manager to come out with fight and positivity when the fans do that? All the ones singing it should not bother going next time - I would prefer the stadium to be empty than us singing that. What good can it do?
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Some of the travelling fans sang the same thing at Southampton but it was in response to the Southampton fans singing "You're ****ing ****"
At the time it was a witty retort and the Southampton fans applauded the song towards the end of the game.
For me, it depends on the circumstances but I wouldn't join in.
 
Guys, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this one's probably been creeping up on all your minds lately, your situation is getting a bit bad. Chins up though, the championship is actually 10x more fun to watch than the prem. I don't really look forward going back to watching 1/5 narrow wins, 2/5 ****ty losses, 1/5 rough drubbings and 1/5 bore draws. Because that's all it is. Maybe 1 time a season your team gets a massive win, and with us being out of the premier league for Sunderland I guess that means that's never.
 
Travelsick07 said:
Guys, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this one's probably been creeping up on all your minds lately, your situation is getting a bit bad. Chins up though, the championship is actually 10x more fun to watch than the prem. I don't really look forward going back to watching 1/5 narrow wins, 2/5 ****ty losses, 1/5 rough drubbings and 1/5 bore draws. Because that's all it is. Maybe 1 time a season your team gets a massive win, and with us being out of the premier league for Sunderland I guess that means that's never.
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Ah... Newcastle win a few so pop over to the Sunderland board - rather talk about us than your own side anyhow seemingly!
 
Nostalgic said:
I am sticking with Moyes for continuity that we desperately need. We have a battle on two fronts of developing and surviving and so far everything is stacked up against us but losing to Arsenal was expected so I am puzzled why this game should bring on such negative debate.
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I think it was more the performance than the result that upset me, and I am not just talking about the inadequacies of the team, but the very poor showing from Moyes, clueless is the only word I can think of, no plan B, when it was obvious the formation on the pitch was a shambles and when we were given a break to draw level, we got worse, hence the negativity from me at any rate.
 
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Nordic said:
Man City he did the same thing - taking Defoe off for McNair was a really **** choice
Vs Arsenal he tried the opposite with Januzaj for Piennar - the latter was on a yellow and clearly waning, we were in with a chance and on top.
Not Moyes fault the defence lost the plot again.

****ed if he does, ****ed if he don't....having midfielders back who can protect theback four is gonna be v. important
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That suggests to me that everything is fine until Moyes meddles. The thing for me is, why aren't the pressing, closing down space, and not letting the opposition play? Surely they'd do it if he told them to?
 
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The Norton Cat said:
That suggests to me that everything is fine until Moyes meddles. The thing for me is, why aren't the pressing, closing down space, and not letting the opposition play? Surely they'd do it if he told them to?
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That's what bothered me so much about the Arsenal game. I couldn't believe that the game plan was to let them play and hope they weren't good enough to score, it was beyond stupid. It seems that everyone apart from Moyes knows that when you're struggling in the league and don't have much quality the absolute basics are to press your opponents and work your arses off.
 
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