What would you do? Poll.
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Bri I am not saying we should sack Moyes.As you say succesive managers have said similar things about there being an underlying problem in the club and I agree with your beliefs that the common denominator is Short.Unfortuanetly he wont be leaving until he can sell on and recoup what he has put into the club.However going down will effectively half the value of the club but if he walks away 100 /150 million out of pocket,its small change to him,given his personal wealth and I dont think he would give a ****.
I too am very saddened by our predicament.I pray that we can come out of this mess and be able to once again at least compete with the likes of Bournemouth,Burnley,Southampton,Hull,west brom,Palace etc
I'm not saying we shouldn't sack Moyes, but the cycle continues, where do we draw the line? As you point out it's Short's company to do with as he pleases. It's killing me this mate. Head's battered with the club but stuck with it and Short
Bri dont let it get to you that much (hard as it may seem),there are much more important things in life than just football (never thought I would say that),but health is much much bigger.It has certainly changed my outlook over the last few years having been diagnosed with a progressive lung desease.
One day SAFC will recover and my aim is to be around whenever that happens
KTF
Bring back Keane or McCarthy or failing that bring back both as a kinda Clough/Taylor thing,just an idea mind.
Let's look at the "if only" background to the results. Pickford certainly cost us two points at Soton, Defoe missed a golden opportunity against WBA, Pienaar and Defoe could have scored at Spurs, Khazri misses at WHU and they score a dubious winner and so on. All games that could have been wins or draws but these events are suitably overlooked to suit various arguments or viewpoints. For me it is just a run of events giving us Murphy's leading to Sod;s Law and we could possibly be 6-8 points better off. Still not good but certainly acceptable given our missing players.
During these games we did not perform badly overall and were hard to break down yet some on here do nothing but point out the negatives attached to the game. Dealing with the facts is best left to Moyes and players whose abilities and attitudes are constantly being criticised because of what they did or did not do. We are entitled to opinions of course but constantly referring to the worst things about the club hardly engenders belief in the future.
I for one do not think the manager deserves the criticism he is getting and I am beginning to detect a trend of everyone just reaching for the "we are clueless" button and attacking everything right across the club when it is just not the case. Disappointment I can deal, with but I refuse to play the blame game against any individual that inevitably leads to a witch-hunt.
During these games we did not perform badly overall and were hard to break down yet some on here do nothing but point out the negatives attached to the game. Dealing with the facts is best left to Moyes and players whose abilities and attitudes are constantly being criticised because of what they did or did not do. We are entitled to opinions of course but constantly referring to the worst things about the club hardly engenders belief in the future.
I for one do not think the manager deserves the criticism he is getting and I am beginning to detect a trend of everyone just reaching for the "we are clueless" button and attacking everything right across the club when it is just not the case. Disappointment I can deal, with but I refuse to play the blame game against any individual that inevitably leads to a witch-hunt.
You didn't answer me in the other thread. Beyond idealistic rhetoric, what is it that you see Moyes doing to answer your prayers?
I took it as you not agreeing with my analysis of the Arsenal game so left it as that. I do not see myself as a football genius who has all the answers but I will say that often people offer solutions without fully understanding or knowing what was behind some of the decisions taken.
My last offering was far from idealistic rhetoric but merely a look at the story behind the headlines and results and how they happened.
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I understand your reticence to panic but its not a case of blindly attacking everything right across the club. Its a case of noting that several very small clubs have overtaken us because they have carefully laid out plans in place and we have floundered because there is no plan. The reason I say there is no plan is because Short has veered drastically in the direction he appears to want to take us with his managerial appointments. Di Canio was very different to O'Neil; Poyet was Di Canio calmed down; Advocaat was very different to Poyet; Allardyce was very different to Advocaat; Moyes is different to Allardyce. Then there's the on/off DoF thing. We need one last change, then a proper plan.
I think we're stuck with Moyes for some time.
If that means short-term pain for long-term gain as a playing identity is built, so be it. It's a gamble, but I'm sick of the same old ****e every year. Embedding a proper footballing philosophy, supported by a strong academy is the only way we'll suceed long-term.
Of what I've seen of us this year, on the telly, I haven't seen abject failure/utter gash performances, the likes of which have been far too common in the past. A lack of quality and cohesiveness yes, but this is a better squad than some of the previous **** we've had. The zonal marking gets on my tits and looks like it has cost us the most points.
If that means short-term pain for long-term gain as a playing identity is built, so be it. It's a gamble, but I'm sick of the same old ****e every year. Embedding a proper footballing philosophy, supported by a strong academy is the only way we'll suceed long-term.
Of what I've seen of us this year, on the telly, I haven't seen abject failure/utter gash performances, the likes of which have been far too common in the past. A lack of quality and cohesiveness yes, but this is a better squad than some of the previous **** we've had. The zonal marking gets on my tits and looks like it has cost us the most points.
I'd agree on both counts but I think we'll go down with Moyes in charge and then I fear we're more likely to see League 1 than the Premier League. He's so cautious, embodied for me by putting 10 men behind the ball with 15 minutes to go against West Ham when they (or their fans at least) were getting rattled. That lead to us losing, rather than the draw he clearly wanted.
I still get about and try not to let it effect me.Wife works full time so I look after the house.I am on a medication that slows down the progressive nature of the condition and I also require ambulatory oxygen .when I am out walking or doing lots indoors that require me to be on the move,otherwise at rest you would think that there was nothing wrong with me.
But like I said I just get on with things and remain positive and carry on as normal.The way I look at it,there are some people (kids as well),that are worse off than me,so no use complaining.
Lets just ALL hope that come end of the season,there are three teams in a worse position than us,although it doesnt look likely,theres always hope
Thanks for asking how I am by the way
Learn to type in English before you write fella.
Another useless wum.