what to do with a problem like Serbia?

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remembercolinlee

remembercolinlee

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Firstly...this is NOT about Suarez or Terry so please find another thread if you want to have that discussion.

We have seen Serbia previously find for their fans being racist. They are not alone with other FA's and clubs also being fined. Currently Lazio are being investigated for their fans awful racism at the Lane a few weeks ago.

Tuesday's under 21 match has thrown this back into the spotlight. Their seems to be 2 main suggestions.

The first being ... ban them and the second is to fine them but try to advise them how to tackle racism.

Which is the way forward?

For what it's worth here is my view:

If English clubs had not been banned from European Football because of the hooligan problem in the 70's and 80's I think that the problem would not have begun to be addressed. I think that other things also helped but the ban really shocked clubs and encouraged them to deal with the issue inside the grounds. I think that paltry fines that UEFA and FIFA have previously handed out (all of which are way less than what Nicholas Bentner was fined for adverting paddy power at a match) say that racism ain't really a big deal. This undermines their own Respect campaign.
I think that Serbia should now be banned. Their FA would then have to take their heads out of their arses and accept that there is a problem that needs dealing with.

If they (the Serbian FA) had come out and condemned the racist abuse then I think that they could be supported in their fight to rid Serbian football of these racist scum who follow their national team. We could advise about anti racist campaigns, banning orders, educational programmes in schools and community involvement but as they deny there is any racism then they clearly are intent on doing sod all to bring about change.

I do not think everything is perfect in England but clubs and the FA are serious in trying to rid the game of racism. They may not get it right every time, they may not have fully succeeded but fans are ejected for racist chanting, racist banners are not displayed, black players are not subjected to monkey chants or have bananas thrown at them.

All clubs and nationalities have some racist fans...the difference between the Serbian FA and the English FA is that the Serbian FA refuse to accept the reality that the rest of the world can clearly see.
 
Bans are the only things that will hammer home the message. And that goes for smaller things like surrounding the ref and diving also.
Ban ban ban ban. Ban.
Ban ban.
 
Make them play all of their home qualifiers for the next campaign in random countries in Africa, with tickets only made available locally.
 
Lazio fined £32k for the racist chants in the EL game at the Lane.
That'll teach 'em....... NOT!!

UEFA once again prove themselves totally toothless when dealing with racism.
 
I hate Serbs with a vengeance.There,I've said it.
You shouldn't mix sport with politics or race....but those people........!
 
Sorry BS9, but you're basically indulging in the same behaviour that they are, in my opinion.
Every country has it's share of decent people and of total arseholes. If you let the arseholes take over and spread their ignorance around, then a lot of others will end up buying their rhetoric as truth.
The footballing community needs to show that this sort of behaviour is unacceptable, but the only way to deal with the source of the problem is through education.
Don't fight hatred with hatred.
Unless it's Arsenal. <grr>
 
Seriously, they should be handed a lengthy ban from all European competition, as an example that this sort of behaviour will not be tolerated. Am I expecting that to actually happen? ....er....No.
 
PNP.
Sorry.I can't take it back.I have a lot of Kosovan friends.Darling people....and I've been to Kosova and seen the many cemeteries along the roads.All murdered by these heathens.
I've sent letters to my friends families in Kosova....and do you know they are all returned by the Serbs.
It appears they do not recognise Kosova as a country but part of Serbia.
Also,the Serbs removed all the machinery etc from the Kosovan factories and took them back to Serbia.
Now there is no end of unemployment.
If you think I'm being racial towards these thugs,count me in!
 
BS9
I can understand where your going with this.
In the early-mid 90's I was in the Army, sent to Sarajevo as part of the UN. Sarajevo was/is a Muslim city and at that time the city was surrounded by the Serb forces.
I was unfortunate enough to see first hand how barbaric they were. Total filth is my opinion of them.
 
There are undoubtedly perfectly decent Serbs who are apalled by this sort of behavior. I feel for them. What gets me is this:

'Karadzic dismissed the notion that racism was a problem in Serbia. "The Serbian people have never been, nor will be racist," he said. "Our history testifies to this...'

Paul Ryan suddenly has competition for most outrageous liar of the year.
 
redwhiteandermblue said:
There are undoubtedly perfectly decent Serbs who are apalled by this sort of behavior. I feel for them. What gets me is this:

'Karadzic dismissed the notion that racism was a problem in Serbia. "The Serbian people have never been, nor will be racist," he said. "Our history testifies to this...'

Paul Ryan suddenly has competition for most outrageous liar of the year.
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But he's right to dimiss the idea that racism is a problem in serbia....the serbian FA and government have no problem with racism....it's just the blacks that have a problem with it! would be funny if it weren't so barbaric
 
Well,the Jewish people have been up against it forever,it seems.The Mexicans are not quite encouraged in America but they do all the dirty jobs white America don't want to do,while white America are looking for well paid cushy jobs!.....that ain't there!!!!!
I never had any black friends because we lived in a white society.My family moved from Tottenham to Cheshunt in 1964.
Had we stayed,we may have had black friends/neighbours.I don't know because we moved as these people were moving into Tottenham,Brixton etc. and Cheshunt didn't have many immigrants apart from a few Italians and some people from the Russia's.
 
remembercolinlee said:
Firstly...this is NOT about Suarez or Terry so please find another thread if you want to have that discussion.

We have seen Serbia previously find for their fans being racist. They are not alone with other FA's and clubs also being fined. Currently Lazio are being investigated for their fans awful racism at the Lane a few weeks ago.

Tuesday's under 21 match has thrown this back into the spotlight. Their seems to be 2 main suggestions.

The first being ... ban them and the second is to fine them but try to advise them how to tackle racism.

Which is the way forward?

For what it's worth here is my view:

If English clubs had not been banned from European Football because of the hooligan problem in the 70's and 80's I think that the problem would not have begun to be addressed. I think that other things also helped but the ban really shocked clubs and encouraged them to deal with the issue inside the grounds. I think that paltry fines that UEFA and FIFA have previously handed out (all of which are way less than what Nicholas Bentner was fined for adverting paddy power at a match) say that racism ain't really a big deal. This undermines their own Respect campaign.
I think that Serbia should now be banned. Their FA would then have to take their heads out of their arses and accept that there is a problem that needs dealing with.

If they (the Serbian FA) had come out and condemned the racist abuse then I think that they could be supported in their fight to rid Serbian football of these racist scum who follow their national team. We could advise about anti racist campaigns, banning orders, educational programmes in schools and community involvement but as they deny there is any racism then they clearly are intent on doing sod all to bring about change.

I do not think everything is perfect in England but clubs and the FA are serious in trying to rid the game of racism. They may not get it right every time, they may not have fully succeeded but fans are ejected for racist chanting, racist banners are not displayed, black players are not subjected to monkey chants or have bananas thrown at them.

All clubs and nationalities have some racist fans...the difference between the Serbian FA and the English FA is that the Serbian FA refuse to accept the reality that the rest of the world can clearly see.
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Serbia's racism issues go well beyond football and this is indicative of dictatorships. Russia has similar issues. Propaganda and total ignorance are the cause, nothing that can be fixed by a footballing governing body. It can be swept under the carpet as in England.

Re hooligans in England. The reduction has very little at all to do with the european ban. That was put there to stop English teams winning the EC. Only Liverpool should have been banned as all of europe had a problem just as bad and in holland Germany and Italy it was at the time worse, more people were dyng from hooliganism in those countries.

Whole areas were trashed after english matches, whole streets trashed cars shops, the cost to local economies was devastating and the policing cost a fortune, it had to change, european ban or not.

A club who has supporters that cannot behave should have 0 fans at the game, all opposing fans.

Why punish the players, the decent folks that watch, kids ect. If fans cannot behave, the fans cannot attend, is it not that simple?, and when they behave, they can attend.
 
BringBackfootie said:
Why punish the players, the decent folks that watch, kids ect. If fans cannot behave, the fans cannot attend, is it not that simple?, and when they behave, they can attend.
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That would be true in most cases, but in this case the players and staff also crossed the line.
 
I'm actually more offended by the collection of horsesh*t that has been spewing from various Serbian mouths after the game than during it. Now it's a Serb NBA player, saying things like all countries have a history of racism.

Very true. But just about everyone except, it seems, most Serbs, have moved forward far enough to condemn it now.

remembercolinlee said:
But he's right to dimiss the idea that racism is a problem in serbia....the serbian FA and government have no problem with racism....it's just the blacks that have a problem with it! would be funny if it weren't so barbaric
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You'd think that Sinisa Mihajlovic would've had a word, given he was subjected to racial abuse when he was manager of Fiorentina so has first-hand experience of what it's like. Not only is he the Serb coach, but he's somebody the FA and fans would actually listen to due to his standing in Serbian football.
 
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