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What does Rodgers actually see..

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Gerrinho, Dec 15, 2014.

  1. Peej

    Peej Fabio Borini Lover

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    Who, Sanchez? But Liverpool were paying Suarez about that right? I bet Mario and Lallana take home about that combined
     
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  2. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    suarez was reputedly on 180k per week for 6 month then sold... tactic that mind... got 35mil back for rodgers to waste as profit on that contract.

    god knows what badontelly is on.... crack or something i reckon.

    lallana is on....70k per week.. yes sources claim this guy is on that much.... think on. we shafted reina for 100 k and agger was on 70k, shafted to get rid... we buy a pixie who's got no magic for 25mil and pay 70k wages
     
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  3. Tobes

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  4. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    I googled badontelly. he's on 80k per week.

    so.......

    bascially there you go...
     
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  5. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    well thanks but i googled it also and got between 140 and150k per week on other sites.

    (such as)

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...nal-30million-Luis-Suarez-join-Barcelona.html

    however interestingly i found he's supposedly worth 145million dollars due to property and something called the Fat Sanchez burger chain which i am convinced is a fake link but anyway

    http://en.mediamass.net/people/alexis-sanchez/highest-paid.html
     
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  6. Klopp's Mannschaft

    Klopp's Mannschaft Well-Known Member

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    Erm, based on what?

    Where do people get this idea that he's supremely talented but just mentally askew? 'Potentially world class' or 'Genius enigma' are other phrases for him...I don't see any of it.
     
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  7. Flappy Flanagan (JK)

    Flappy Flanagan (JK) Well-Known Member

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    Rodgers has failed to build a spine in his first two years here despite spending £200m. He prioritized squad depth over building a great first team.

    Last season we had little competition for places, this season we have it. Unfortunately its because the first team is weaker, not the alternatives are stronger. Its a step backwards.

    By the end of Rafa's first season he had established a spine of Reina, Carragher, Agger, Alonso, Sissoko and Gerrard. After that he added Torres to that spine and replaces Sissoko with Mascerano. He built that spine quite cheaply really.

    Rodgers has no spine or guaranteed starter at all, apart from Sterling, and it looks like Sterling does not know his place atm because Rodgers constantly moves his role. Not only are we relieing on a 20 year old, that 20 year old is being over worked and it is daaging his team. We have Sturridge, our best player, but he is injured and the alternatives are so stylisticly different that the whole approach to play has to change for them. Our team is not versatile enough to make these changes.

    In the summer Rodgers should have prioritized quality over quantity and gone for stars. 8 players is to many to settle in to a squad in one go. 19 players in just over a year is insanely to much.
     
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  8. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    Really good point - there is no spine. The keeper is poor, the centre backs are dire, midfield is non-existent and the best striker we have is injury prone.

    Funny thing is - we have players like Sakho and Can who can help rectify this.
     
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  9. InBiscanWeTrust

    InBiscanWeTrust Rome, London, Paris, Rome, Istanbul, Madrid
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    That's the thing, all top sides are built with a solid spine as the goals are in the middle. Lovely to have exciting wingers, but a keeper, CB, CM and CF are where the real big players play because they have the mot influence.

    Compare our spine to that of our rivals

    Hart
    Kompany
    Toure
    Aguero

    Courtouis
    Terry
    Matic
    Costa

    Schezney
    Mertesacker
    Ramsey
    Giroud

    De Gea
    Carrick
    Rooney
    RVP

    Mignolet
    Skrtel
    Gerrard
    Sturridge

    Sturridge is the only one that would get anywhere near the other teams and he's out injured.

    It's great buying all these small quick number 10's but you can only play 1 or 2 at a time, you need some proper footballers in the middle of the pitch who will put there stamp on a game, players that opposition are scared to go into a tackle with. I know we talk about the game becoming more technical but English football is still miles ahead of other leagues when it comes to physicality and it's no surprise the best teams in the last 20 years have had a couple of "hard men" that can play a bit in them
     
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  10. carlthejackal

    carlthejackal Well-Known Member

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    Looking at that spine and potential match winners in our team, how many premiership teams are as strong as us or stronger? If the number is 10 or more then we are a bottom half team. To be honest which of our players apart from sterling would improve a mid table team? Which players would Newcastle, Swansea west ham or Southampton take from us to improve ??
     
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  11. Gerrinho

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    He's very clearly talented... produces some lovely touches, strong runner etc. We haven't seen his shooting range yet unfortunately but he undoubtedly has one.

    Never world class but still a level above the Lamberts, Borinis etc of this world... even the likes of Bony. He's lacking confidence, form and the right set up.

    EDIT: Obviously a bit silly saying this with no knowledge of how it works...

    But we should have told Barca we were having a Sanchez, Pedro or Mascherano level player or they could piss off. If none wanted to come then we'd just take extra money or no deal. Any wages from Suarez should've gone straight into convincing a Sanchez to come.
     
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  13. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    I have spouted this since we were first linked with him, he's **** and always has been just because you smash one from 20 yards now and then doesn't make you good. I could rant away here as I really, really cannot stand lazy ****ers like Balotelli complete waste of space on a football pitch and if we have any sense we'll sell in Jan.
     
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  14. jenners04

    jenners04 I must not post porn!

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    completely agree, never understood why we didn't take that stance.

    seriously, we have amateurs on all levels at this club!! someone tel me i am wrong?
     
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  15. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    In fairness to Mario, he is showing signs of improvement. Making better runs and getting into good positions.

    Contrary to some fans, but he does work hard in pressing and tracking back.

    In the right system, as we saw on Sunday, he looked a lot more effective.

    Also - there is absolutely no question he should be starting ahead of Lambert. Lambert should be grateful he's at this club let alone playing any games.
     
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  16. InBiscanWeTrust

    InBiscanWeTrust Rome, London, Paris, Rome, Istanbul, Madrid
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    Ballotelli will score goals. He just needs the right service. Unfortunately he's not a player in Suarez Sturridge mould that will run the channels and off the shoulder of defenders but doesn't mean he's ****.

    Play to his strengths and you'll get goals out of him. Players need to get the ball into the middle for him so he can put them away
     
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  17. Flappy Flanagan (JK)

    Flappy Flanagan (JK) Well-Known Member

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    In the following formations I feel the positions listed have to be filled with quality players who form a solid spine and must not be constantly rotated.

    In all formations the keeper and CB's must never be constantly rotated. They must be an established and balanced unit. Getting a strong trio here is key to a top defense.

    41212 - DM, B2BM, both ST's. The AM and other CM can be rotated to suit the game and how physical the midfield needs to be. The full back role in here is very demanding so rotation is needed to avoid fatigue.

    4231, both CDM, AM, ST. The players down the center of the pitch are key here. The full backs should only be rotated if all options are of the right quality and suitability, as they add the balance.

    433 - Possible the most flexible. Some times a solid DM is needed, some times some one more flexible is needed. Some times 2 B2BM are needed, some tmes an extra AM can be used. Some games suit a striker whilst others a false 9. I do feel a consistant back 4 is important and one B2BM must be a constant to. I favour a front 3A and front 3B, a traditional ST with two WF or a F9 with to reverse WF's. Reverse WF's would get in a ST's way whilst width will never work with a F9.

    442 - The centre of the pitch is key. GK, CB's, CM's, ST's. Full backs should not change to often either.


    The formation must not change between multiple options to often, 2 or 3 mastered systems fits best.


    Rodgers has failed to establish any of this so far.
     
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  18. FedLadSonOfAnfield

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    Agree with this Luv, he'll maybe show one noticeable piece of skill every season when he can be arsed.
     
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  19. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    But at least he has the balls to want the ball and do things with it.

    We have too many passengers in the side who are afraid of the ball.
     
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  20. Totally agree and I truly hope he gets that service when he ****s off elsewhere :)
     
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