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Dark Lord SFC said:
The Sunday Times making that cart house Carroll MotM has just about finished me off and will have to stop reading about this game as its not good for my blood pressure!
Time for me to move on and look forward to watching next weeks game against The Swans where two true football team take each other on and play the beautiful game
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Excellent football teams playing skilful passing football
Young managers both top players at top European clubs and representing their countries at World Cups
Exciting young British talent mixed with some French and Spanish style, plus a pair of tough European goalkeepers
Players battling hard in the sun and fans cheering their teams on
And finally handshakes, applause and some "see you next season"s.

Doesn't it make you feel warm and fuzzy.
 
If Saints continue on their current projectory, we will have to get used to teams trying to win against us the ugly way. WH may be one of the worse at this, but plenty more will try and beat us by not playing football "the right way", so no point in bitching about it.
 
Oli_BN1 said:
If Saints continue on their current projectory, we will have to get used to teams trying to win against us the ugly way. WH may be one of the worse at this, but plenty more will try and beat us by not playing football "the right way", so no point in bitching about it.
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Is that project or trajectory..? :) Nice invent.

Next season Saints will have to line up against teams where the surprise element will have well and truly gone. So we'd better be a sight better at the style we have and/or a lot more effective. People know I'm generally positive, but this is realism. We are going to have to be better at what we do, so I'm looking forward to a few select quality players coming in, who know what will be expected from them.
 
How did you score your goal again, lots of fluid passing and one touch one-two's was it? Oh no, that's right, it was a hoof upfield from your goalkeeper.
 
trixter_whufc said:
What a load of over dramatic bollocks.

What should we have done? Come and gone toe to toe with you and gift you the three points? Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal couldn't so why should we bother trying?

Today West Ham produced a very good, disciplined away performance that earned us a valuable point.

We play some good stuff at home and have dished out a few tonkings (as you know) and I would much rather watch a performance like today than the heroic 2-3 defeats we were used to under Zola and Grant etc.

West Ham United is a club is massive financial trouble. Gold and Sullivan need to make sure we stay in the premier league for a few years whilst we stabilize. If that means a bit of "needs must" like today then that's fine with me.

A few years of dull football will not undo 100 years of history and we will soon be back to some brighter performances once we are an established premier league side with more stable finances.

Get a grip. Today was a solid, well earned point that we are pleased with. Worry about your own team and we will worry about ours.
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FWIW I completely agree with you, Trixter. West Ham were effective and I respect your message on this. At least you've written a post of honesty and heartfelt passion towards your own club. And you didn't try to take the mickey out of us once. That's how it should be. That's what we want between rival forums. Now carry on.
 
Miggins said:
How did you score your goal again, lots of fluid passing and one touch one-two's was it? Oh no, that's right, it was a hoof upfield from your goalkeeper.
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It was a free kick. Quite common to see those lumped forward at least once in a while.

As an alternative, imagine a team whose defence, every single time they have the ball, launch it in the air in the hope that it'll do some damage at the other end. Oh, hang on, no need to imagine it, is there, you pay to see it every week, you poor sap.

Vin
 
Oli_BN1 said:
If Saints continue on their current projectory, we will have to get used to teams trying to win against us the ugly way. WH may be one of the worse at this, but plenty more will try and beat us by not playing football "the right way", so no point in bitching about it.
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As I said, I'm not fussed about West Ham's actual style of football, nor indeed their desire to settle for a point. Of course there's no "right way" to play football.

My issue with West Ham is the way they went about it, with no respect - especially for the officials. They were dirty, whingey, time-wasters. Like I say, the fact that they were also long-ball merchants and only wanted a point is irrelevant to me. You will always get teams like that, especially the latter. That's football.
 
Miggins said:
How did you score your goal again, lots of fluid passing and one touch one-two's was it? Oh no, that's right, it was a hoof upfield from your goalkeeper.
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Which, two of your finest defenders messed up by tripping over each other, gifting us an opportunity, which was clinically dispatched, what is the problem, when Plan A doesn't work, you can always use Plan B and surprise the opposition. A bit tricky when you only have a Plan A, hooooof. Both goals had an element of luck.
 
I was really angry after yesterday's game after watching the most cynical British team in my living memory........glad it wasn't just me.
 
If you want to be amongst the last games on match of the day then play West Ham. Entertainment value from them is a big fat is zero.

I'm always reminded of Fat Sam by that old joke:- What did the 0 say to the 8?

Where did you get that belt?
 
Speaking of text that looks funny, OGC looks like a man pleasuring himself if you turn it sideways.

You're welcome everyone.
 
trixter_whufc said:
What a load of over dramatic bollocks.

What should we have done? Come and gone toe to toe with you and gift you the three points? Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal couldn't so why should we bother trying?

Today West Ham produced a very good, disciplined away performance that earned us a valuable point.

We play some good stuff at home and have dished out a few tonkings (as you know) and I would much rather watch a performance like today than the heroic 2-3 defeats we were used to under Zola and Grant etc.

West Ham United is a club is massive financial trouble. Gold and Sullivan need to make sure we stay in the premier league for a few years whilst we stabilize. If that means a bit of "needs must" like today then that's fine with me.

A few years of dull football will not undo 100 years of history and we will soon be back to some brighter performances once we are an established premier league side with more stable finances.

Get a grip. Today was a solid, well earned point that we are pleased with. Worry about your own team and we will worry about ours.
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I totally agree. Just stumbled upon this thread and am amazed at how childish some Saints fans are being about the game. Obviously our style of football is objectively more attractive than West Ham's, but sometimes a manager has to work with what he knows. Maybe some hadn't had time to cool off before coming on here after. West Ham played to their strengths and, given our recent results at home which you've mentioned, came away with a good point. It's the Premier League ffs. Morals and fair play are admirable and all, but the stakes are so high that picking up points is, and always will be, more important than attractive football and sportsmanship. I had no real problem with West Ham on Saturday, they conducted themselves exactly as i expected an Allardyce side to.
 
Points are important. Didn't like the time wasting and moaning, but they were effective against us. I remember Ferguson whinging that we wouldn't come out to play properly but played negative football when we were fighting one of our perennial relegation battles. Other teams can play how they like within the rules...we have to learn to cope with it. Forcing good sides like Chelsea and City to play long ball can be effective, but we will have a problem with a team for whom it is their natural style.
 
Pick a Pochet or Two said:
I totally agree. Just stumbled upon this thread and am amazed at how childish some Saints fans are being about the game. Obviously our style of football is objectively more attractive than West Ham's, but sometimes a manager has to work with what he knows. Maybe some hadn't had time to cool off before coming on here after. West Ham played to their strengths and, given our recent results at home which you've mentioned, came away with a good point. It's the Premier League ffs. Morals and fair play are admirable and all, but the stakes are so high that picking up points is, and always will be, more important than attractive football and sportsmanship. I had no real problem with West Ham on Saturday, they conducted themselves exactly as i expected an Allardyce side to.
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Time to cool down FFS! I still haven't cooled down and it is 40 hours or more since the game.

I think I could have accepted your comments if the match officials had done their job properly and the media did not see some virtue in the way Fat Sam's team played.

Taking many of the comments from those supporting Fat Sam's approach it would seem his team plays the way it does because the players are absolute crap and that I would agree with but the final insult has to be those journalists who named Caroll as man of the match.
 
This is embarrassing. Criticising West Ham for being physical? Anyone remember the "ale house brawlers"?

They set out to do a job on us, and earned themselves a point. It was up to us to hold the lead after finally going in front. We didn't - get over it.
 
Archers Road said:
This is embarrassing. Criticising West Ham for being physical? Anyone remember the "ale house brawlers"?

They set out to do a job on us, and earned themselves a point. It was up to us to hold the lead after finally going in front. We didn't - get over it.
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They weren't brawlers. Shankly was just a bad loser.

We had Channon then West Ham have Caroll.
We had Paine then West Ham have Nolan.

Light years apart in terms of talent.

Brian O'Neil was a pussycat compared with that bruiser Nolan. He's not a footballer he is more a bare knuckle fighter.
 
I also fail to understand the constant hostility to Andy Caroll. He's a striker who scores goals, yet he's the subject of constant sneers. Why?
 
Archers Road said:
This is embarrassing. Criticising West Ham for being physical? Anyone remember the "ale house brawlers"?

They set out to do a job on us, and earned themselves a point. It was up to us to hold the lead after finally going in front. We didn't - get over it.
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Missed my point Archers. My moaning was that watching them play was terrible. I didn't enjoy it all. If I was a West Ham fan, I wouldn't want to watch it. Nothing to do with the result; I predicted 1-1 and that was the result. What I don't like is watching a team carry out every possible negative, non-footballing tactic during a game. It's not really embarressing to say that.
 
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