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Schad said:
Apparently what they know is that, contra previous discussion, he's not as good as our other strikers, and consequently isn't being played over our other strikers.
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Think I'll wait for the start of the season and see whether or not the professionals actually select him before deciding that he's 4th choice.

If they do select him, I'll give him every good wish and hope he gets a goal. If not, he'll get his chance by January based on the last 2 years.
 
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I'll wish him well, too. I just don't see it as being likely that he'll even make the bench with regularity.

And what we need is not a striker who'll get his chance in four months when everyone else fails. We need a striker who is demonstrably good at striker things, and Gallagher needs to play regularly. We are not a team crying out for a fourth-string striker.
 
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Schad said:
Agreed. But I can understand why people prefer to trust the professionals over internet randoms; in this instance, their reaction to his play was dramatic enough that it's clear the club agreed that he wasn't remotely at the level needed.
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Well professionals decided to spend 20 milions to buy Carillo and no internet random would ever done that, so...
 
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Well professionals decided to spend 20 milions to buy Carillo and no internet random would ever done that, so...
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Indeed! I didn't say that I believe that the decisions of the professionals are unimpeachable, but rather that I understand why some place more emphasis on their opinions. That decision however was absolutely indefensible from the moment it was made.
 
Schad said:
Indeed! I didn't say that I believe that the decisions of the professionals are unimpeachable, but rather that I understand why some place more emphasis on their opinions. That decision however was absolutely indefensible from the moment it was made.
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It was, to be fair, probably made at the urging of Pellegrino.
 
Schad said:
Absolutely. That Pellegrino had the ability to urge anyone to get him more than a ham sandwich by that point was pretty indefensible too, heh.
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I don't know. The general sense I got from doing a little lurking on Monaco sites isn't that Carillo sucked so awfully bad. Just that he was not worth anything near what we paid for him. But of course, it was winter season and Saints/Pellegrino were desperate so we got suckered.

I think Carrillo is being loaned out mostly because Hughes doesn't like him and also the board doesn't want to pay his wages. And I'm not sure I trust Hughes' eye for talent. Still, I'm fine with loaning him out under the assumption that we are bringing in someone else who Hughes likes more, and hopefully is better and there's no sense paying Carrillo to sit on the bench.

I just don't like the way he's being dragged into discussions when he is a sunk cost for at least 2018-19. The whole idea of "oh, look what happened with Carrillo we don't want to jump too soon into another purchase" is utter crap. How can people use the board's tremendously ****ty decision as a defense? If Carrillo was that bad a purchase, then the people who made the decision should all be sacked.

It's stupid because it uses a BAD decision to argue that the decision makers are smart. And because you can justify anything with it. Carrillo is a sunk cost, he's not playing for us this year. Assess the decisions based on the new situation. Otherwise it'll just be like "Oh we need a new midfielder. But remember that time we got screwed on Carrillo? That's why we need to [not purchase player X/pay 80m for player Y/buy defender instead]."

Carrillo being horrible, or maybe not being horrible but not worth the money, or being fantastic but not given a chance has no bearing on whether Gallagher can cut the mustard.
 
Monaco fans kinda liked Carrillo, but it seemed to be as a sort of mascot; he was a willing runner, and he tended to make appearances in games that were petering out, where his energy perked up the team to chase that 5th or 6th goal. Didn't get the sense he'd be missed as an impact player, however.

I fully agree, though, that the fact that we have made bad decisions for big money is not a reason to stop trying to buy improvements. It's a reason to make better decisions. If we're resigned to making a lot of bad decisions, our position in the PL is ultimately untenable.
 
Schad said:
Monaco fans kinda liked Carrillo, but it seemed to be as a sort of mascot; he was a willing runner, and he tended to make appearances in games that were petering out, where his energy perked up the team to chase that 5th or 6th goal. Didn't get the sense he'd be missed as an impact player, however.

I fully agree, though, that the fact that we have made bad decisions for big money is not a reason to stop trying to buy improvements. It's a reason to make better decisions. If we're resigned to making a lot of bad decisions, our position in the PL is ultimately untenable.
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It's very much why we nearly lost it last season.
 
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Schad said:
Monaco fans kinda liked Carrillo, but it seemed to be as a sort of mascot; he was a willing runner, and he tended to make appearances in games that were petering out, where his energy perked up the team to chase that 5th or 6th goal. Didn't get the sense he'd be missed as an impact player, however.

I fully agree, though, that the fact that we have made bad decisions for big money is not a reason to stop trying to buy improvements. It's a reason to make better decisions. If we're resigned to making a lot of bad decisions, our position in the PL is ultimately untenable.
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That sounds a bit like Shane Long, we all love the effort he puts in but no one really believes he will actually score
 
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I think it was against Arsenal in one of the first games that Sam played in, he fluffed a glorious chance. If that had gone in so many things could have been different
 
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