Weekend Debate

Sunderland media and fans have done marks out of 10 for every player so if we are to keep Joffy it has to be as a 9.5 second striker behind the 9.
11. Joe Gelhardt - From Leeds (loan) - 6.5/10
The 21-year-old’s loan spell from Leeds could have been very different if Ross Stewart had been available, or Sunderland had managed to sign another striker on deadline day. Instead, Gelhardt was asked to lead the line rather than playing as a second striker as he has done at previous clubs. The forward’s work rate could rarely be questioned, yet Sunderland didn’t get the best out of him. 6.5
 
What’s Gary monk up to these days. Had a good go at getting us up and brought Pablo to the club. Refused to work under Orta, sensible lad

If you subscribe to the views of the owners of Middlesbrough and Birmingham regarding his transfer dealings… it could be argued that monk’s reasons for not wanting a DOF may not have been football related.
 
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I’d think if we’d have had Cooper, Adams and Sini fit all season we’d have stayed up but we still had glaring holes in certain positions like LB, RB and GK which you can’t get away with in the PL.

Haven’t seen Drameh play in the championship but heard he did well in his loan spell but also was part of a very good Luton side, championship is a different beast to the PL and Drameh looked out of his depth when he played but still can’t understand the decision to buy Kristensen unless he was a world beater because surely it’d have been better to have Drameh as an understudy to Ayling after the first loan spell. Not sure that Drameh would’ve made much of a difference though because PL wingers are the best in the world. Would be nice to have him next season and keep Ayling for the squad/rotation but don’t think it’ll happen with how he’s been treated and we have Ayling and Kristensen who I think will probably both stay unfortunately.

Need to get a DOF and manager sorted asap because that will hold off potential signings and we need an identity and decide what the new manager wants to keep etc. I think Greenwood might be a useful squad player but as a 10 not a CM as he’s just not a CM. Bate can be sold as he’s been playing in a relegation threatened league one side.

Agree about the stadium, it’s a not starter. A lot of buildings/stadiums are bought by companies and leased back to teams/businesses. It’s really common in business and quite rare for a business not to rent it’s premises and to own it outright. He’s also not used it as security so it doesn’t matter, even if he did it doesn’t really mean anything or matter unless he went bankrupt.

Yeah Rodrigo will be off but hopefully we can recoup a decent fee for him. Hoping that Cresswell will want to stay as I think he’d be good alongside Cooper or Wober, both of which I think we’ll be able to keep.

Also, if James wants to stay and fight for his place let him and good on him. Always gives his best and I don’t really think we’ve actually given him a good chance, first season playing out of position he got 8 goal contributions and then we shipped him out. Get him playing right wing again like he did at Swansea, been played out of position by everyone else since.

For me I think a realistic 22 we’ll have next season will be;

GK - Robles / New
LB - New (Cresswell is a free agent from West Ham, would be a great addition) / Firpo (don’t think anyone will want him) or Hjelde (hopefully we can get rid of Firpo and have Hjelde for the squad)
CB - Wober / Cooper
CB - Cresswell / Kristensen
RB - New (Ryan Manning free agent) / Ayling (Think Drameh will leave)
CM - Gyabi / Gray
CM - New / Forshaw (pay when you play contract)
LM - Gnoto / Dallas
CAM - Rutter / Greenwood
RM - James / Costa
ST - New / Joseph or Perkins

Would love to keep Adams but think he’ll go. James and Gnoto could also go but sounds like James wants to stay and we’re trying to keep hold of Gnoto but I would prefer Sinisterra over Gnoto but think he’ll be off, way too good for the championship even despite his injury record, would be good for someone who has a decent squad.

For new CM and ST I’d go all out to get Hamer and Gyokeres although I think the latter will have PL offers but we will be able to offer first team football and could say if we don’t go back up first year you can have a release clause or something?

some good points foolee.

Re Rasmus. It was a surprise to all of us that we got a right back not a left back. My feeling is that ayling was a long term injury at the time. It’s hard to be sure that he’d come back as early as he did or without ongoing problems. They were trying to convince drameh to stay but maybe weren’t sure they’d want to risk him as possibly our only recognised option.

Drameh has excelled in a back 5 where his mobility and willingness to get forward are showcased. What he’s like in a back 4 at senior level is unproven. Certainly now we’re in the same league he’s done well in, confidence would be higher… and the new manager may favour a 5.
 
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Lots of speculation re our new head coach, but what or who would be the ideal criteria for the fans. Do you prefer a Bielsa type coach who will light up football or a George Graham type who locks the back door and gets results?
 
Lots of speculation re our new head coach, but what or who would be the ideal criteria for the fans. Do you prefer a Bielsa type coach who will light up football or a George Graham type who locks the back door and gets results?

With the financial advantage we have we should look at a possession based team who should be able to bully teams in this league. Go buy the best defender, best midfielders and best striker in this league and bully the division.
 
With the financial advantage we have we should look at a possession based team who should be able to bully teams in this league. Go buy the best defender, best midfielders and best striker in this league and bully the division.
Not sure I'd use the term bully but you definitely have to dominate the opposition through a combination of playing out from the back and keeping possession. However it has to be dynamic and lead to chances created as otherwise teams will sit back and frustrate you all day long in the Championship. What you can't do though is try to go toe to toe physically with the likes of Millwall etc as we always come off second best.

Anyway looking forward to it as it's the most competitive League in the world apparently.
 
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Not sure I'd use the term bully but you definitely have to dominate the opposition through a combination of playing out from the back and keeping possession. However it has to be dynamic and lead to chances created as otherwise teams will sit back and frustrate you all day long in the Championship. What you can't do though is try to go toe to toe physically with the likes of Millwall etc as we always come off second best.

Anyway looking forward to it as it's the most competitive League in the world apparently.

Yeah, my post didn't really make it clear. I meant bully as in financially bully. Go and buy the better players from teams in this division. That weakens them and strengthens us. That's what I meant when I said bully this division.

That would mean we have one of the best squads, so possession football would be the sensible move.
 
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YEP now have Carlos Corberan as firm fav to take the job due to the director who took him to WBA leaving last week.

Man Utd, Newcastle and Brighton now trying for Tyler Adams as well as clubs in Germany, Italy and Spain
 
Yeah, my post didn't really make it clear. I meant bully as in financially bully. Go and buy the better players from teams in this division. That weakens them and strengthens us. That's what I meant when I said bully this division.

That would mean we have one of the best squads, so possession football would be the sensible move.
Over 46 games to be successful you have to play good football but also you need to have better strikers/attackers as that's what wins games at Championship level. The good news is our defence will concede way less than the last 3 seasons as they won't be facing the same quality and pace of opposition anymore.

Leicester & Southampton will the main challengers with their PL leftovers you would have thought.
 
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Farke and Parker seemed to have similar problems… they could get their sides to score but struggled to organise them defensively.

As for getting promoted and then relegated. Does that make them ‘championship’ managers who can’t cut it in the Prem? Or is it as simple as their squads were in the top 2/3 in the champ and yet the worst 2/3 in the Prem?
 
Farke and Parker seemed to have similar problems… they could get their sides to score but struggled to organise them defensively.

Or is it as simple as their squads were in the top 2/3 in the champ and yet the worst 2/3 in the Prem?
Not us though.

We're way better than Bournemouth, Forest, Fulham and quite a few others so there's no way we can be relegated <ok>