If we are relying on the returning Mehlem, Sinik and Longman to turn our fortunes around, we really are in trouble
Walter Out
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Sinik will stub his toe or break a nail. Forcing him out again for 8 months. Poor guy such a tough job he's got. Feel for him
The fact you've just used sick note sinik as proof that this team has played together for years is absolutely laughable
Hull City owners....Pahhhhhhh!!Gaza
'He's got a clear refusal to accept when he's wrong', I didn't realise Shota was still here, that said I have a long held distrust of any and every owner we have.
The views expressed in my posts are not necessarily mine.
The past is our knowledge, the present our mistake & the future we always leave too late.
There’s a song in there somewhere …
There’s a song in there somewhere …
And the perfect bio for a wall piece of your local friendly council estate mother
My mum was a council estate mother as probably many more on here were too.
Why are we like that as a club? Everyone can see Wally has never worked well for us.
Many other evidenced comments that back it up. Every could see in the summer we needed a good striker. We ignored it a mistake and left Washington far too late. Why? Why are we like this?
Acun's in a damned if I do damned if I don't position. He stays quiet then he's gone awol, into hiding, lost interest and the rest. He does the interview then he gets grief for supporting his manager and players.
We already know he's not about to sack TW so what's he supposed to do? Throw his manager and the players under a bus?
He's isn't stupid or blind, he'll know we've got problems but he won't be washing his dirty laundry in public, rightly so.
I only hope he's having serious conversations with TW about how to turn things around.
UTT
We already know he's not about to sack TW so what's he supposed to do? Throw his manager and the players under a bus?
He's isn't stupid or blind, he'll know we've got problems but he won't be washing his dirty laundry in public, rightly so.
I only hope he's having serious conversations with TW about how to turn things around.
UTT
Acun's in a damned if I do damned if I don't position. He stays quiet then he's gone awol, into hiding, lost interest and the rest. He does the interview then he gets grief for supporting his manager and players.
We already know he's not about to sack TW so what's he supposed to do? Throw his manager and the players under a bus?
He's isn't stupid or blind, he'll know we've got problems but he won't be washing his dirty laundry in public, rightly so.
I only hope he's having serious conversations with TW about how to turn things around.
UTT
Honesty goes a long way for me. Finding that many excuses instead of admitting our strikers need to work harder or we need to get the ball forward quicker. Just be honest... It's true what they so though. You don't get rich been honest
But your point was that the majority of this team have played together or been around the club for years. Which isn't accurate.
Then the list of players you cherry picked don't even back it up. Sinik may have been at the club a couple or something years, but in that time he's hardly played for us or even been around the club that much.
Let's not go down the road of Daily Telegraph journalists and make things up to fit your narrative.
People see things differently, I could see from around the 2nd or 3rd friendly his philosophy wouldn’t work. I called it out early enough.
Others, early on, believed he should have been given more time. I can understand this. At the time it probably made more sense if you considered the squad turnaround,
As time has passed it’s become apparent that his experiment isn’t working & is, in fact, showing no signs of improvement from day one.
As time progresses without improvement the number of people wanting decisive action will obviously increases. This has happened, although one person appears to think it’s the fault of friendly mothers who live on council estates.
Despite his failings as a manager I believe booing has no part in supporting the team, whatever the results. I also think people throwing their season tickets or refusing to attend because of performances & Walter’s comments regarding supporters is a cop out, especially from those that had the audacity to criticise people boycotting because of the previous owners.
His Club,his money,his call...He's came out and backed the Coach(I did say last week that he either backs him or sacks him,to be fair,he's now done that)...Acun's in a damned if I do damned if I don't position. He stays quiet then he's gone awol, into hiding, lost interest and the rest. He does the interview then he gets grief for supporting his manager and players.
We already know he's not about to sack TW so what's he supposed to do? Throw his manager and the players under a bus?
He's isn't stupid or blind, he'll know we've got problems but he won't be washing his dirty laundry in public, rightly so.
I only hope he's having serious conversations with TW about how to turn things around.
UTT
I get the distinct feeling that he's straw-clutching with little or no idea how this is all going to pan out and he's extremely reluctant to sack the Coach given he appointed him and he too will be liable for the severance pay involved for the removal of T.W and his backroom staff.Blaming refs,injuries and general bad luck for 4 months is pretty much waffle to me.The football has been fairly poor and the results tell no lies.Unless we get a decent striker or two in the January window,I can't see any significant change in our fortunes but we live in hope.
We get behind it,we hope for results,if they don't come the Owner has to make the ultimate call,if they do come then he'll be proven correct...UTT!
Acun Ilicali is sticking with Tim Walter, for now, and has called on Hull City fans to get behind the under-fire manager after a disastrous start to the new season which has left them sailing nervously close to the Championship's dreaded drop zone.
In some respects, Ilicali's decision to back his manager when everybody else is calling for a change is admirable and flies in the face of modern football, and indeed, the Turkish owner's previous manager decisions at the MKM Stadium in dispensing of Shota Arveladze and Liam Rosenior.
Generally, when a manager goes on a semi-poor run, owners and the other power brokers at football clubs make a change and don't give their man time, but at City, Walter is being given the trust and time to try and arrest the slide by the man who appointed him.
Hull City boss Tim Walter not out of the woods despite Acun Ilicali's vote of confidence
Some will respect the fact the owner is not bowing to growing fan pressure and firing the manager he has put so much faith, and finance, in over the past few months, instead giving him the support to turn it around, while others will be deeply unhappy that the status quo will remain, for now at least.
Fifteen games and one cup game have come and gone, and in truth, Walter's team have shown very little in the way of suggesting they're capable of being anything other than a team that is facing a season of struggle, largely down to the system they're being asked to play coupled with the lack of quality in the top half of the pitch.
Yes, there have been mitigating factors along the way, and even the strongest of Walter critics would surely acknowledge the hand he's been dealt has been tough, though equally, he's not helped himself at times.
Recruitment was slow and took longer than it should and Walter was left without a striker capable of scoring the goals needed. Tommy Conway and Tom Cannon would have been superb additions, but they went to Middlesbrough and Stoke City respectively and City were left to go elsewhere, an area that has not been covered and will need some heavy January investment.
Recently, injuries have had a disastrous effect and will continue for months to come with Liam Millar and Mohamed Belloumi both out for the rest of the season with ACL problems which require surgery, so Ilicali is absolutely right when he points that out, though there have to be questions raised about Walter's intense training schedule, and if that has had any impact, or if it's purely coincidence, and as the owner cites, rank bad luck.
That said, Belloumi's injury has come recently while Millar was a few weeks ago, and even before those respective disasters for the club, alarm bells were already ringing about the longevity of Walter's approach, and how much the players and supporters actually believed in it.
Few could argue this season has been entertaining, in truth, much of the first few months have been hard to watch and anything but the swashbuckling style we were expecting.
Ultimately, whichever camp you fall into—Walter in or out—he will be given time to try and turn it around, and Ilicali's support for his manager is admirable, to a point, in the current climate. Ultimately, though, if things don't improve quickly and City fail to get positive results against Luton Town and Sheffield Wednesday in the next two games, then the pressure will only increase, and his hand may well be forced.
It's all very well and good trying to be positive, looking up the table rather than down it, but we're realists and we base our opinion on what we're watching in front of our eyes, and what we've watched so far suggests unless there's a big change, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out what could be waiting in May.
Walter's vote of confidence must yield a change of course because the owner's backing isn't unconditional, and there will come a point when a big decision will have to be made. Many think that point has been reached, but the owner isn't yet at that point. It may well come unless things improve drastically and quickly.
In some respects, Ilicali's decision to back his manager when everybody else is calling for a change is admirable and flies in the face of modern football, and indeed, the Turkish owner's previous manager decisions at the MKM Stadium in dispensing of Shota Arveladze and Liam Rosenior.
Generally, when a manager goes on a semi-poor run, owners and the other power brokers at football clubs make a change and don't give their man time, but at City, Walter is being given the trust and time to try and arrest the slide by the man who appointed him.
Hull City boss Tim Walter not out of the woods despite Acun Ilicali's vote of confidence
Some will respect the fact the owner is not bowing to growing fan pressure and firing the manager he has put so much faith, and finance, in over the past few months, instead giving him the support to turn it around, while others will be deeply unhappy that the status quo will remain, for now at least.
Fifteen games and one cup game have come and gone, and in truth, Walter's team have shown very little in the way of suggesting they're capable of being anything other than a team that is facing a season of struggle, largely down to the system they're being asked to play coupled with the lack of quality in the top half of the pitch.
Yes, there have been mitigating factors along the way, and even the strongest of Walter critics would surely acknowledge the hand he's been dealt has been tough, though equally, he's not helped himself at times.
Recruitment was slow and took longer than it should and Walter was left without a striker capable of scoring the goals needed. Tommy Conway and Tom Cannon would have been superb additions, but they went to Middlesbrough and Stoke City respectively and City were left to go elsewhere, an area that has not been covered and will need some heavy January investment.
Recently, injuries have had a disastrous effect and will continue for months to come with Liam Millar and Mohamed Belloumi both out for the rest of the season with ACL problems which require surgery, so Ilicali is absolutely right when he points that out, though there have to be questions raised about Walter's intense training schedule, and if that has had any impact, or if it's purely coincidence, and as the owner cites, rank bad luck.
That said, Belloumi's injury has come recently while Millar was a few weeks ago, and even before those respective disasters for the club, alarm bells were already ringing about the longevity of Walter's approach, and how much the players and supporters actually believed in it.
Few could argue this season has been entertaining, in truth, much of the first few months have been hard to watch and anything but the swashbuckling style we were expecting.
Ultimately, whichever camp you fall into—Walter in or out—he will be given time to try and turn it around, and Ilicali's support for his manager is admirable, to a point, in the current climate. Ultimately, though, if things don't improve quickly and City fail to get positive results against Luton Town and Sheffield Wednesday in the next two games, then the pressure will only increase, and his hand may well be forced.
It's all very well and good trying to be positive, looking up the table rather than down it, but we're realists and we base our opinion on what we're watching in front of our eyes, and what we've watched so far suggests unless there's a big change, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out what could be waiting in May.
Walter's vote of confidence must yield a change of course because the owner's backing isn't unconditional, and there will come a point when a big decision will have to be made. Many think that point has been reached, but the owner isn't yet at that point. It may well come unless things improve drastically and quickly.
It’s a pity there isn’t a rallying call to the fans in that piece to ask or demand for support
It’s all fans can do
As I’ve said many times he didn’t consult me when he hired any manager or when he fired them
So carry on. Regardless
You're not wrong.An owner with a five year plan that took a Club out of the 1950's and rebuilt a piggery into a 61,000 all seater stadium with a sold out season ticket following..Oh for a Fergus McCann!
The views expressed in my posts are not necessarily mine.
Wasn’t going to go till he went but it’s in your blood so what do you do.
Ticket purchased for the **** hole that is Luton.
Also I cant moan too much if I don’t go to games.
I don’t like Walter I don’t like his football and results are **** so he should be sacked as it’s only delaying the inevitable.
Ticket purchased for the **** hole that is Luton.
Also I cant moan too much if I don’t go to games.
I don’t like Walter I don’t like his football and results are **** so he should be sacked as it’s only delaying the inevitable.
We’re only going one place, that’s league one. This manager is so far out of his depth. He had no success in Germany. We concede lots of goals and can’t score at the other end. Attendances, after all the hard work building them up, will drop off based on performances. Having a significant over index of possession, mostly across the 18 yard box passing between defenders and the goalkeeper is not in the slightest bit entertaining. As a football manager he’s a fraud.