Walter Out

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People keep saying he ‘failed’ in Germany as well. He’s the only Hamburg manager to reach the play-offs since they got relegated and he did it twice in back-to-back seasons.

It’s like saying Corberán is a failure because he reached the play-offs with Huddersfield and West Brom but didn’t get promoted either time.
I have a direct line to Hamburg with friends in the City and he failed according to them, they don't understand why City replaced a decent manager for him
 
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I'm saying what the implications of him being sacked quickly are. He hasn't been sacked yet. I haven't made my mind up but may well do after stoke.

Our defence is rubbish, you can't watch our games with two eyes open and say otherwise. We've been incredibly lucky to concede as few as we have.
It shows how well the owner has got people on his side I think.
 
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I have a direct line to Hamburg with friends in the City and he failed according to them, they don't understand why City replaced a decent manager for him

Your friends are either bang on the money, or acting as entitled as some City fans. Until we see how the team, style, mentality, tactics take shape, there's no way of knowing what we're going to see here.

Rosenior got about a full season before the tide started to turn with growing fan concern. Come January we were sitting in a good position but had also dropped lots of points needlessly which could have seen us more comfortable. It went downhill rather than up after January unfortunately. Walter has had 5 games in comparison, with an overhauled squad and many of the people that finger wagged Liam's doubters right up until the end are seemingly the ones shouting loudest about sacking Walter as soon as possible... The irony of this considering the season has barely started is just astounding to me.
 
Your friends are either bang on the money, or acting as entitled as some City fans. Until we see how the team, style, mentality, tactics take shape, there's no way of knowing what we're going to see here.

Rosenior got about a full season before the tide started to turn with growing fan concern. Come January we were sitting in a good position but had also dropped lots of points needlessly which could have seen us more comfortable. It went downhill rather than up after January unfortunately. Walter has had 5 games in comparison, with an overhauled squad and many of the people that finger wagged Liam's doubters right up until the end are seemingly the ones shouting loudest about sacking Walter as soon as possible... The irony of this considering the season has barely started is just astounding to me.

The funny thing is they just don't see their doing it or see the irony in it!
 
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The funny thing is they just don't see their doing it or see the irony in it!

I'm sure it'll be completely justified as well.

Personally I couldn't see Rosenior getting us promoted regardless of how long he was here unless he made some changes to the playing style. The value of the team we had last season kind of suggests that too.

On the flipside will Walter get us promoted? Probably not in all honesty, but his track record for high position finishes is decent and then there's the small matter of how late we made our signings and the fact many have barely, or just haven't kicked a ball for us yet. I can't get my head around how people are ignoring this.
 
Your friends are either bang on the money, or acting as entitled as some City fans. Until we see how the team, style, mentality, tactics take shape, there's no way of knowing what we're going to see here.

Rosenior got about a full season before the tide started to turn with growing fan concern. Come January we were sitting in a good position but had also dropped lots of points needlessly which could have seen us more comfortable. It went downhill rather than up after January unfortunately. Walter has had 5 games in comparison, with an overhauled squad and many of the people that finger wagged Liam's doubters right up until the end are seemingly the ones shouting loudest about sacking Walter as soon as possible... The irony of this considering the season has barely started is just astounding to me.

It's only been 5 games, that's true (plus the annual Cup defeat and a handful of friendlys), and there's a case for saying that calls for Walter's head are premature, but two things stand out and ring alarm bells.

Firstly we aren't creating enough chances (and our finishing has been poor on the ones we have created too) and secondly periods of foolish defending (such as our last three goals conceded) which is obviously connected to Walter's gung ho approach.

It may come good. I hope it does.

But the Championship is a pragmatic league and teams that do well in it are generally those that are solid and well organised.

We're currently neither.
 
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It's only been 5 games, that's true (plus the annual Cup defeat and a handful of friendlys), and there's a case for saying that calls for Walter's head are premature, but two things stand out and ring alarm bells.

Firstly we aren't creating enough chances (and our finishing has been poor on the ones we have created too) and secondly periods of foolish defending (such as our last three goals conceded) which is obviously connected to Walter's gung ho approach.

It may come good. I hope it does.

But the Championship is a pragmatic league and teams that do well in it are generally those that are solid and well organised.

We're currently neither.

I'm not arguing with either of those points at all, I agree with you... But it's been 5 games and the players are literally strangers to each other. In attack they don't know who's going to make what runs, who'd going to play what balls etc. They're training on these things, but I'm the heat of the moment players will do what's natural to them too. The team chemistry and wavelength reading isn't there yet. Those players that aren't strangers are being asked to do things they're currently adapting to, or, and I hope I'm wrong, it'll simply turn out that they're not able to do.
 
I want Walter to succeed. I’m just not seeing what he’s trying to do.

We’ve brought in Alzate after chasing Meffert to be the cog in his system. Both these players averaged around 45 passes per game in their last full seasons.

Our current system bypasses the midfield - do what’s the point in bringing someone like Alzate in?
 
Your friends are either bang on the money, or acting as entitled as some City fans. Until we see how the team, style, mentality, tactics take shape, there's no way of knowing what we're going to see here.

Rosenior got about a full season before the tide started to turn with growing fan concern. Come January we were sitting in a good position but had also dropped lots of points needlessly which could have seen us more comfortable. It went downhill rather than up after January unfortunately. Walter has had 5 games in comparison, with an overhauled squad and many of the people that finger wagged Liam's doubters right up until the end are seemingly the ones shouting loudest about sacking Walter as soon as possible... The irony of this considering the season has barely started is just astounding to me.

I wanted shota out when it was clear he wasn't working and people said give him time. He was gone ten games into the season. Rosenior then turned our form around so earned his chance. He then had us top 6 for the majority of the season so thinking we should have wanted him out is a bit weird. Nothing ironic I'm afraid.
 
I wanted shota out when it was clear he wasn't working and people said give him time. He was gone ten games into the season. Rosenior then turned our form around so earned his chance. He then had us top 6 for the majority of the season so thinking we should have wanted him out is a bit weird. Nothing ironic I'm afraid.

Let’s be honest here, Shota was a whole different level. He came from Azerbaijan if memory serves me right after his management career nosedived. He was a weird appointment and felt like he was hired just because he was known to Acun.

Slutsky had pedigree as does Walter - albeit a moderate performance in the German second tier. It was the football that attracted Acun, but we are nowhere near recreating that at the moment.
 
Let’s be honest here, Shota was a whole different level. He came from Azerbaijan if memory serves me right after his management career nosedived. He was a weird appointment and felt like he was hired just because he was known to Acun.

Slutsky had pedigree as does Walter - albeit a moderate performance in the German second tier. It was the football that attracted Acun, but we are nowhere near recreating that at the moment.

For all that he was another level he still won 6 games to finish the season and had us scoring with somewhat regularity.
 
He made 5 saves for the game and was given our highest rating on Sofascore as a result.
Just watched the highlights back on their YouTube channel, so more likely to show their chances, and they showed two regulation saves. I just remember that game for having very little action at either end and they certainly didn't "hammer us all game".