Walter Out

[Mckechnie Orange]

When you defend with every man and their dog within a spit of the opposing box at set pieces dont be surprised when teams open us up like a can of beans, it's suicide football, fkn stupidity of the highest order. He either compromises his beliefs to fit the championship or we are toast

Took my daughter and niece to the Sheffield game.
Regardless of the result, they both were yawning towards the end of the game. This was the same with the Millwall game.

One or both will probably make excuses to miss the next home game.

I think that’s Tim’s biggest problem. I honestly believe if we had lost the last two games 3-4, Acun would be happy.

I think people would accept being more open at the back if there was a sense that we were creating and threating more than the opposition as a result.

The alarm bells start ringing when you're 5 games in and your only goal from open play is a worldie from a fullback.

 

[SydneyTiger14]

*after 5 games.
See Middlesborough 2023/2024. After 9 games they were in 21st. They finished the season one place behind superman and his team of loan stars.

Agreed, was a great effort from them and highlights the benefits of not knee jerking and sacking a manager if your aims aren't accomplished after a single season. Continuity of manager can overcome a lot of other teething problems.

 

[SydneyTiger14]

Don't you want 2 decent options in each position? Have we become so used to not having credible options?

Who are our two decent left wingers?

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

Agreed, was a great effort from them and highlights the benefits of not knee jerking and sacking a manager if your aims aren't accomplished after a single season. Continuity of manager can overcome a lot of other teething problems.

Which is why sacking Rosey was a big risk, but at some point we have to give the new guy some space to do the same.

It's just Rosey was pragmatic when he came in and made an immediate difference with organisation, we started scoring as many as we conceded within a couple of weeks.

This guy supposedly the trade off is cavalier football, leave ourselves open but carry a much more aggressive threat.

Well that doesn't look like anything near what's happening as of yet.

He's looking a bit like a PowerPoint appointment at the moment.

A bit like Mick Beale without the burner accounts. Just touchline pirouettes, arm waving and contempt for the media (and by extension the mainstream fans locally) instead.

 

[SydneyTiger14]

They did it back to back seasons, forest did it a few years back. It really doesn’t take much to be back up the table. Like most are saying next international break is where pressure kicks in.

The first time they did it was because they recognised they'd made a mistake with Wilder and cut their losses promptly and brought in a competent manager..

The second time they brought in a lot of new players but knew that Carrick had the runs on the board so stuck fat with him and having him as the point of continuity across the two seasons pulled them through.

We have done neither (to this point).

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

The first time they did it was because they recognised they'd made a mistake with Wilder and cut their losses promptly and brought in a competent manager..

I wouldn't put it past the current ownership to act decisively, if it's still not working by the next international break.

But hopefully it will start to look better by then anyway.

 

[Ullofaman]

Does this seem familiar?
https://youtube.com/shorts/qvEZzoeT67o?si=PpIE8RISz0lWTpp-

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

Does this seem familiar?
https://youtube.com/shorts/qvEZzoeT67o?si=PpIE8RISz0lWTpp-

3 goals on the spin. It's ****ing pub football.

 

[Ullofaman]

Without sufficient strikers a new plan of action has been hatched.
https://youtube.com/shorts/KXB4x3xJdZU?si=qLdi8uLsc6SIVQp7

 

[SydneyTiger14]

I think if Walter had come out following the game and said "I was really frustrated with how we played the majority of the game. The players are still learning how I want them to play and we had a lot of new boys come in, so it will take some time before we see them playing how I want them to. They tried hard today and I can't fault their effort but we will need to work hard on the training pitch to see how I want them to play" I don't think there'd be half the animosity towards him as we're currently seeing. The fact he came out and said "I was happy with how we played except for the two mistakes they scored from" is the big red flag.

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

I think if Walter had come out following the game and said "I was really frustrated with how we played the majority of the game. The players are still learning how I want them to play and we had a lot of new boys come in, so it will take some time before we see them playing how I want them to. They tried hard today and I can't fault their effort but we will need to work hard on the training pitch to see how I want them to play" I don't think there'd be half the animosity towards him as we're currently seeing. The fact he came out and said "I was happy with how we played except for the two mistakes they scored from" is the big red flag.

There were more mistakes they didn't score from.

Tbh I've just watched it back and for 30 mins of the first half and 30 of the second we played some decent stuff and played with a bit of belief, but when the same mistakes aren't learned from - and a furry gammon head in a retro hoodie is windmilling on the sidelines, blowing a gasket and getting needlessly booked, it's not a good look.

You conceded that goal at Leeds.

You've then gone and conceded it twice, in 2 halves of football again.

That's pub league stuff.

 

[Gone For A Walk]

Who are our two decent left wingers?

God knows!
These days left wingers play on right, right wingers play on the left, ACM's at full back, .....
I do know we've got Millar, Kamara, Belloumi, Jarvis, Longman, Vaughan, and, err, Sinik in the senior squad #can'thavetoomany...wingers.
I'm choosing to overlook the fact that the discussion was actually about having 2 right wingers.

 

[SydneyTiger14]

God knows!
These days left wingers play on right, right wingers play on the left, ACM's at full back, .....
I do know we've got Millar, Kamara, Belloumi, Jarvis, Longman, Vaughan, and, err, Sinik in the senior squad #can'thavetoomany...wingers.
I'm choosing to overlook the fact that the discussion was actually about having 2 right wingers.

First two words were enough.

 

[HCAFCHangout]

I think if Walter had come out following the game and said "I was really frustrated with how we played the majority of the game. The players are still learning how I want them to play and we had a lot of new boys come in, so it will take some time before we see them playing how I want them to. They tried hard today and I can't fault their effort but we will need to work hard on the training pitch to see how I want them to play" I don't think there'd be half the animosity towards him as we're currently seeing. The fact he came out and said "I was happy with how we played except for the two mistakes they scored from" is the big red flag.

I dont really put much credence into these post match pressers anymore. He's probably shielding them from abuse and putting it all on him. That's what a good manager should do. What he says in the dressing room is what is important but we will never know that.

 

[springtiger]

There were more mistakes they didn't score from.

Tbh I've just watched it back and for 30 mins of the first half and 30 of the second we played some decent stuff and played with a bit of belief, but when the same mistakes aren't learned from - and a furry gammon head in a retro hoodie is windmilling on the sidelines, blowing a gasket and getting needlessly booked, it's not a good look.

You conceded that goal at Leeds.

You've then gone and conceded it twice, in 2 halves of football again.

That's pub league stuff.

MO you are better than the insult , totally unnecessary , your football points are debatable / valid for the forum . Nobody would have dared insult Rosey for obvious reasons

 

[bradymk2]

MO you are better than the insult , totally unnecessary , your football points are debatable / valid for the forum . Nobody would have dared insult Rosey for obvious reasons

He was wasted last night
And agree
Weird and unnessecary insult

 

[SydneyTiger14]

I dont really put much credence into these post match pressers anymore. He's probably shielding them from abuse and putting it all on him. That's what a good manager should do. What he says in the dressing room is what is important but we will never know that.

The way I framed the comments still shields the players without coming across as utterly clueless.

 

[HullCityAFC1904]

Stoke got rid of their manager Schumacher we need to do the same. You can't give a manager time who has no concept of defence at Championship level. We aren't good enough to outscore teams. Terrible appointment and this was clear before he played a single match. No success with big teams in Bundesliga 2 so how is he going to be successful in a vastly superior league.

 

[Tigerite]

Stoke got rid of their manager Schumacher we need to do the same. You can't give a manager time who has no concept of defence at Championship level. We aren't good enough to outscore teams. Terrible appointment and this was clear before he played a single match. No success with big teams in Bundesliga 2 so how is he going to be successful in a vastly superior league.

Stoke's manager has had 32 games ffs, you can't really compare.

 

[SydneyTiger14]

Stoke's manager has had 32 games ffs, you can't really compare.

But they've just brought in a bunch of players surely they need time to gel.