Walter Ball

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Drew said:
The moment in the second half when he lost his rag with Coyle for not taking a man on.

But Coyle played a nice one two and got round his man anyway. That wound me up something chronic.
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That was the exact moment I had in mind actually
 
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Gone For A Walk said:
Tbf, I think that's what we finally did this summer under Walter. The "10 cm's" was how you could sum up the recruitment during Rosenior's time.
We absolutely needed a RB to challenge & deputise for Coyle. Drameh was a good signing for that. But he's not a LB, and imo we should be playing a LB there, not Drameh. Coyle's been great, apart from yesterday when he was bang average. Maybe give Coyle the occasional rest and see what Drameh brings at RB, or give Coyle 70 minutes and use Drameh as fresh legs for the remaining 20 (+5 or so)?
We desperately needed wingers. Thankfully we finally signed some. And we have Jarvis, Longman and, err, Sinik waiting in the 'wings' too. Millar, Belloumi, Kamara were all needed, and good signings (then 'sod's law' kicks in).
The squad is now way more balanced and deep than it's been for some long time (the depth being something you commented on recently too).
Players should be played in 'natural positions' as much as possible. We're still not doing that, in spite of now having the depth and options. And, as we both now agree, the tactics are the worry (rather than the previous issues like "10 cm's", no balance, etc).
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I think we are playing players in natural positions though?

Aside from Drameh, who started out of position yesterday? I can also understand Drameh starting as he’s shown far more than Giles has at LB.
 
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Drameh is fine against left footed wide men because he is very right footed. He struggles badly against right footed wingers (or two footed players) because of a lack of a left foot. It might be better to play Coyle on the left and Dramah on the right if Giles is out of favour.
 
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Gone For A Walk said:
Tbf, I think that's what we finally did this summer under Walter. The "10 cm's" was how you could sum up the recruitment during Rosenior's time.
We absolutely needed a RB to challenge & deputise for Coyle. Drameh was a good signing for that. But he's not a LB, and imo we should be playing a LB there, not Drameh. Coyle's been great, apart from yesterday when he was bang average. Maybe give Coyle the occasional rest and see what Drameh brings at RB, or give Coyle 70 minutes and use Drameh as fresh legs for the remaining 20 (+5 or so)?
We desperately needed wingers. Thankfully we finally signed some. And we have Jarvis, Longman and, err, Sinik waiting in the 'wings' too. Millar, Belloumi, Kamara were all needed, and good signings (then 'sod's law' kicks in).
The squad is now way more balanced and deep than it's been for some long time (the depth being something you commented on recently too).
Players should be played in 'natural positions' as much as possible. We're still not doing that, in spite of now having the depth and options. And, as we both now agree, the tactics are the worry (rather than the previous issues like "10 cm's", no balance, etc).
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We signed Mehlem, palmer, Zambrano, puerta, Alzate, and brought simons back into the fold, while already having slater and omur to fit in. 8 players, not quite the 10 I cited but forgive the exagerration.
 
SydneyTiger14 said:
We signed Mehlem, palmer, Zambrano, puerta, Alzate, and brought simons back into the fold, while already having slater and omur to fit in. 8 players, not quite the 10 I cited but forgive the exagerration.
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I don't see several of those as 'no 10's'?
We needed to bring central midfielders in which is what happened.
 
PLT said:
Some of our fans got it really wrong with Rosenior. A narrative was built that his football was defensive, safety first stuff, that passing out from the back showed a lack of ambition. Walter was supposed to be the antithesis of that. His teams scored more goals and created more chances than anyone, supposedly. He would improve our home form and address the lack of goals because he had the ambition and positivity that Rosenior didn't.

As it turns out, it actually looks very similar. We've turned over a load of players and existing players have had to learn new things which are specific to Walter's game which has set us back a bit, but the principles of playing out from the back are the same, and it's certainly the same that when it goes wrong it is frustrating to watch, and to many fans looks as though we aren't trying to attack.

Walter was hyped to be the solution to a problem that never really existed. He is another modern manager with a particular style which requires patience. We've essentially got what we had before, except he's a less likeable version and he's 2 years further back in the process than Rosenior was by the time he left.

It is what it is. I think sacking him would represent more chaos, and I don't believe his tactics are the problem. I think he understands the game very well and has a plan he knows can work. But it entirely comes down to whether the players like him and can understand him and get on board with him. I doubt any of us know the answer to that.
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Good shout.

Coaching a side to play a certain way and be comfortable doing it are arguably two different challenges. Despite the growing hatred towards him and his style of football whenever you watch City these days you tend to ask yourself whether or not Walter’s has enough players good enough both technically and mentally throughout the side to play the way he wants under pressure or is everything down to the fact the wrong man was brought to club in the first place.

I actually think it’s a bit of both.


UTT.
 
Tentotwo said:
Good shout.

Coaching a side to play a certain way and be comfortable doing it are arguably two different challenges. Despite the growing hatred towards him and his style of football whenever you watch City these days you tend to ask yourself whether or not Walter’s has enough players good enough both technically and mentally throughout the side to play the way he wants under pressure or is everything down to the fact the wrong man was brought to club in the first place.

I actually think it’s a bit of both.


UTT.
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Its a mix of both

At hamburg, his squad was in the top 2 or 3 best teams in the german 2nd div
Im sure if walter was manager of leeds this season, theyd look a lot better

Also a flaw with say rosies system
That the top players, move the ball and see things faster, championship players, take that bit more time to control the ball, and move it on
So you end up with a lot of frustration in breaking down teams

Adaptation is needed on all fronts at this level to get promoted
 
Tentotwo said:
Good shout.

Coaching a side to play a certain way and be comfortable doing it are arguably two different challenges. Despite the growing hatred towards him and his style of football whenever you watch City these days you tend to ask yourself whether or not Walter’s has enough players good enough both technically and mentally throughout the side to play the way he wants under pressure or is everything down to the fact the wrong man was brought to club in the first place.I actually think it’s a bit of both.
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I ask myself will he ever have a side good enough to play his way?
 
Don't understand how people think that the building from the back with Walter is the same as under Rosie. Not saying I'm a fan by any means but it's very different.

Rosie was all static side to side and backwards. It was turgid. We forget how often Greaves would be waving a frustrated hand to encourage some movement.

Walter's is pass and move into space. Might take a couple of attempts but when it works we do get into promising positions. We're just not doing enough to make the most of it in the final third.

What I don't like about Walter's version is the outlet is often to a wide play in the middle third, facing our own goal. It's like you're expecting a powder puff winger to do the job of an old school target man. Similar issue with Seri under Rosie. They're not strong enough, get done and we find ourselves in deep ****.
 
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in our last 3 games
the 5 players who made the most passes for us are.... in no particular order

jones.
drameh.
coyle.
hughes
pandur.

those 3. in the last 3 games, might look at more later.
 
in our last 3 games
the 5 players who made the most passes for us are.... in no particular order

jones.
drameh.
coyle.
hughes
pandur.

those 3. in the last 3 games, might look at more later.
 
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