Match Day Thread Vs Watford (A)

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Jimmy Squarefoot said:
That is bullshit Saint and it's harsh. It's amazing how many times Milner did this last season but no one mentioned or would say it's Klopp's tactics for full backs to push up (which it is as Klopp has said several times).

But when Moreno does it, he's 'out of position'. With our full backs being aggressive, we are reliant on our midfielders and defenders to cover.

It wasn't a perfect performance but he was arguably better than the othe 3 on the day (which doesn't say much). And the throw in wasn't his fault - he actually did well to get back and win the ball. Can was the one who was being too clever.
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You seem to be suggesting that I have some blind prejudice against Moreno, but I assure you that's not true. I wanted him to do well at the beginning, and I'd still like to see him do well now. My assessment was, and always is, based on what I see. He wants to get forward all the time, commendable for the most part, but he needs to learn when it's safe to do so.
 
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Jimmy Squarefoot said:
That is bullshit Saint and it's harsh. It's amazing how many times Milner did this last season but no one mentioned or would say it's Klopp's tactics for full backs to push up (which it is as Klopp has said several times).

But when Moreno does it, he's 'out of position'. With our full backs being aggressive, we are reliant on our midfielders and defenders to cover.

It wasn't a perfect performance but he was arguably better than the othe 3 on the day (which doesn't say much). And the throw in wasn't his fault - he actually did well to get back and win the ball. Can was the one who was being too clever.
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I also want to point out that I wasn't singling Moreno out for criticism, I was just replying to someone who said they thought he'd had a decent game.
I rarely pick on anyone unless they do something glaringly bad, a team stands and falls together as far as I'm concerned. However, we do analyse personal performances often enough, and that was what I saw.
 
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Jimmy Squarefoot said:
It doesn't - as per the laws of the games, the direction of the ball is irrelevant. It's the position of the player that he's playing to.
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Not so Jimmy. If a player is level with, or behind the ball they are onside, ergo the ball has to go forward, effectively, for someone to be offside. The only exception I can think for this is if a player runs back to retrieve a sideways ball when they start in an offside position.
 
donga darko said:
Not so Jimmy. If a player is level with, or behind the ball they are onside, ergo the ball has to go forward, effectively, for someone to be offside. The only exception I can think for this is if a player runs back to retrieve a sideways ball when they start in an offside position.
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Not sure that's correct Donga.

A player is 5 yards in an offside position. A player on the wing and behind spots him and takes advantage of the wind blowing towards the goal hits a long ball backwards and the ball is carried by the strong wind and ends up with the target player. Surely he is deemed offside even though the ball was kicked backwards?
 
carlthejackal said:
Not sure that's correct Donga.

A player is 5 yards in an offside position. A player on the wing and behind spots him and takes advantage of the wind blowing towards the goal hits a long ball backwards and the ball is carried by the strong wind and ends up with the target player. Surely he is deemed offside even though the ball was kicked backwards?
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'If the player is in line or behind the ball'. In your instance he isn't.
 
carlthejackal said:
Not sure that's correct Donga.

A player is 5 yards in an offside position. A player on the wing and behind spots him and takes advantage of the wind blowing towards the goal hits a long ball backwards and the ball is carried by the strong wind and ends up with the target player. Surely he is deemed offside even though the ball was kicked backwards?
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First off the wi d would have to be what 400mph... so..... least of anyone's worried to flag that one.
 
Actually, there is another two instances, of course. A throw-in, or from a corner. I remember seeing the latter when Dirk Kuyt scored from a Gerrard corner almost right on the near post (Gerrard had taken it right on the edge of the arc). It was initially disallowed by the linesman's flag (dickhead) but after protests and a consultation from the lino who admitted that Kuyt was the first to touch it, it was then allowed. European game, I think.

I also saw a lino give offside against Maxi from a throw at Anfield @ 7 years ago, and wasn't it last season against Chelsea that Hendo was booked for protesting (correctly) that Milner was given offside for chasing back to get a pass that went backwards?
 
FSG's Last Stand said:
Well it does kinda make a difference...of two extra points dropped because of an incorrect call by a lino:bandit:
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We can't make excuses for dropped points. We could go through the season counting the "dropped points from ref or lino's errors". No we got one point out of 3. We should have got the game sewn up well before the equaliser.

To blame the result on refereeing decisions is burying our heads in the sand, I doubt Klopp will use these as an excuse (I hope not anyway).
 
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