Match Day Thread Villa v Toon

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Cockface said:
We've won 18 and lost 10 premier league games, which tells me my eyes aren't wrong when things don't go to plan. When things aren't going well they simply don't react and don't even try to fix things in those games. Perhaps it's really not possible because all our players on the bench are ****, but I don't thing so. It's a cop out to suggest nothing can be done and that's why we lose games. Shuffle things around change something, swap full backs, double up on a player, put 5 at the back and midfield.

When something is a glaringly obvious issue they should try to address it.


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It's absolutely true that we're in a good position and huge credit for that, but there's litterally no in game management taking place based on what's happening on the pitch.. It's all pre planned eyes on the next game stuff.
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It’s always a 4-3-3 every game. Interestingly that formation is being used less and less by PL sides.

4-2-3-1 is now the preferred formation.

We just do the same thing week in and week out. Which mostly gets us results.

But when it goes wrong it goes majorly wrong. I can think of at least 3 games we have conceded 4. And implosion usually happens.
 
Geordie Ginola said:
It’s always a 4-3-3 every game. Interestingly that formation is being used less and less by PL sides.

4-2-3-1 is now the preferred formation.

We just do the same thing week in and week out. Which mostly gets us results.

But when it goes wrong it goes majorly wrong. I can think of at least 3 games we have conceded 4. And implosion usually happens.
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The fact they start that way makes sense because it works more often than not, but when it isn't working they never do anything to address it until it's too late.

This side I'm told has character, but where are the hard earned backs to the wall draws? Where are the little tactical changes to achieve that in games? When it's not going well Newcastle lose far too often and that's because our manager and staff have something in their policy that says don't react and stick to the plan I think.

Before anyone piles in I'm not being anti Howe here things are great, we've won a cup and could still land top 5, but I'm merely pointing at something that I think costs us a few point's over a season.
 
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Cockface said:
The fact they start that way makes sense because it works more often than not, but when it isn't working they never do anything to address it until it's too late.

This side I'm told has character, but where are the hard earned backs to the wall draws? Where are the little tactical changes to achieve that in games? When it's not going well Newcastle lose far too often and that's because our manager and staff have something in their policy that says don't react and stick to the plan I think.

Before anyone piles in I'm not being anti Howe here things are great, we've won a cup and could still land top 5, but I'm merely pointing at something that I think costs us a few point's over a season.
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Maybe it’s the next step in evolution. We need to have a plan B when it isn’t working.

That second half we just fell apart. We didn’t know what to do.
 
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Geordie Ginola said:
Maybe it’s the next step in evolution. We need to have a plan B when it isn’t working.

That second half we just fell apart. We didn’t know what to do.
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It's something you see other managers do isn't it. The changes come when we're losing unless they're forced and if moving Barnes out of position to the right was supposed to fix the issue we had on the right I don't think that's ever going to improve.

We might get better players though.

Villa were better in every area of the pitch and on set pieces, corners and ****housery, so I also want to point that out because they're a serious team... Blaming tiredness doesn't wash for me that's all.

We'll have easier games...
 
I’ve just read a statistic that between burn Schar and Trippier we only won 1 dual out of 16.

That means basically we didn’t make a tackle in 15 duals.

Thats why it felt like they were cutting us open. Because we didn’t make hardly and tackles.
 
The issue is a bench with Wilson, Targett, Willock and Longstaff.

Our first eleven on their day are better. Villa's squad though is stronger and better.
 
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Darren Peacock’s Ponytail said:
Personally think 5 at the back as a plan B would suit some of our players better.

Means Schar can push forward and be covered.
Tino and Hall both have wing back attributes.
Tonali can sweep up.
No need for out and out wingers
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Worked v Arsenal with Botman in there. If he was fit then yesterday would have been different.
 
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Geordie Ginola said:
I’ve just read a statistic that between burn Schar and Trippier we only won 1 dual out of 16.

That means basically we didn’t make a tackle in 15 duals.

Thats why it felt like they were cutting us open. Because we didn’t make hardly and tackles.
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Schar got an early yellow so he couldn't get stuck in properly after that mind. The significance of two of our ball winners being on yellows and none of theirs being on yellows is much greater than people seem to realise. One more dive, foul or miss timed tackle and you're off. Especially in one of the toughest away fixtures you'll get... But again what was done about that? Nothing...
 
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It's_all_Greek_to_me said:
The issue is a bench with Wilson, Targett, Willock and Longstaff.

Our first eleven on their day are better. Villa's squad though is stronger and better.
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Gordon willock and Miley are capable players and Krafth has shown he can play well. We don't have a great bench but they can be cute. I bet ousla would at least disrupt.. We were 3-1 down give him a run out.
 
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Anyway Chelsea and forest will hopefully slip up and if city beat villa things will look good again without even having to play.
 
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Cockface said:
It was always going to be a difficult game, so the last thing they needed was the ref giving them absolutely **** all, but perhaps swapping full back for 5 or 10 might have been worth a look or park the bus rather than get rolled over.

I don't want to be too critical because things are going very well, but there's definitely never any chance of any proactive changes taking place on days like today.

Beat Ipswich and we might be ok... I dunno it's so tight and we have the hardest run in.
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Chelsea have a much harder run in. Villa now have a tougher one than us I'd say too. 3 of our 5 games are at home and they're all ones we are favourites in, that's all you can ask for.
 
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Cockface said:
Schar got an early yellow so he couldn't get stuck in properly after that mind. The significance of two of our ball winners being on yellows and none of theirs being on yellows is much greater than people seem to realise. One more dive, foul or miss timed tackle and you're off. Especially in one of the toughest away fixtures you'll get... But again what was done about that? Nothing...
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He probably should have had a red. Their pace was killing our defenders mind.
 
haslam said:
Chelsea have a much harder run in. Villa now have a tougher one than us I'd say too. 3 of our 5 games are at home and they're all ones we are favourites in, that's all you can ask for.
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They'll become harder than usual also because the heat is on. The 3 sides that grind it out will land 3rd 4th and 5th. There will be twists and turns until late on the final day I think.

This is when we find out which sides have character.
 
I suppose its also worth point out that everything dropped for villa.. 2 flukey goals. We didn't even have any luck never mind anything else Yesterday.

Their 2nd was key because that was Murphy distracted by seeing Gordon being readied and he didn't track his man.
 
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