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America's the same.
93% of Americans want stricter gun regulations (Including, shockingly, 70% of NRA members) but the NRA has most of the Republican party and dare I say, half the democrats in their back pocket as well, so every time a bill is proposed it gets shot down. (No pun intended)

A country where 93% of the people want a particular thing.....and their government wont give it to them because they are getting their palms greased.....I really do not know how that can be called a Democracy.
Its Institutionalised corruption, pure and simple.


I agree that there should be more control in the USA.

I think, to some extent, no Government wants to be seen as the one that took away one of the Founding Fathers' constitutional rights. It would spark all sorts of debates (and possibly violent riots) regarding the nature of freedom, democracy, and the whittling away of constitutional rights.
 
Not as part of my main sport - those types of weapons have long been banned in the UK, and further controls were introduced with the banning of semi-automatic handguns, following the Dunblane massacre, in 1996.

However, I have fired a number of fully automatic and semi-automatic weapons outside the UK.

You might want to let the Armed Forces know they are wandering around with them without a care in the world.
 
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Not as part of my main sport - those types of weapons have long been banned in the UK, and further controls were introduced with the banning of semi-automatic handguns, following the Dunblane massacre, in 1996.

However, I have fired a number of fully automatic and semi-automatic weapons outside the UK.

Where?
 
I agree that there should be more control in the USA.

I think, to some extent, no Government wants to be seen as the one that took away one of the Founding Fathers' constitutional rights. It would spark all sorts of debates (and possibly violent riots) regarding the nature of freedom, democracy, and the whittling away of constitutional rights.

I don't think the majority want to outright ban ALL guns.
I don't think it would be possible at this stage, because the country is gun crazed and ****ed up.
But Gun shows don't even ask for ID or run a background check when selling their arms.
The gun stores and the major chains like Walmart do background checks and whatnot, but Gun fairs do little or nothing in the way of due diligence when it comes to sales of weapons.

Besides, the second amendment they all crow about, if they were to read it properly, it states they have the right to bear arms as part of a Well ordered militia, in case their government turned tyrannical.

1) They are not in any form of militia

2) That amendment was made when they were fearing British interference in their government, as it was soon after the War of Independence and they feared Britain would try to buy their politicians as a way back in. I think its safe to say we are no longer interested in bringing the US back into the Old Empire.

3) This is the 21st Century, and if you do not agree with something your government does, you DO NOT have the right to go shoot a political figure because you deem him corrupt, that's not a right you have and it is not how the world works now.

Some of the things they want are just common sense regulations and removal of loopholes that allow criminals and people with severe mental health issues getting hold of automatic weapons without any barriers whatsoever.
 
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I don't think the majority want to outright ban ALL guns.
I don't think it would be possible at this stage, because the country is gun crazed and ****ed up.
But Gun shows don't even ask for ID or run a background check when selling their arms.
The gun stores and the major chains like Walmart do background checks and whatnot, but Gun fairs do little or nothing in the way of due diligence when it comes to sales of weapons.

Besides, the second amendment they all crow about, if they were to read it properly, it states they have the right to bear arms as part of a Well ordered militia, in case their government turned tyrannical.

1) They are not in any form of militia

2) That amendment was made when they were fearing British interference in their government, as it was soon after the War of Independence and they feared Britain would try to buy their politicians as a way back in. I think its safe to say we are no longer interested in bringing the US back into the Old Empire.

3) This is the 21st Century, and if you do not agree with something your government does, you DO NOT have the right to go shoot a political figure because you deem him corrupt, that's not a right you have and it is not how the world works now.

Some of the things they want are just common sense regulations and removal of loopholes that allow criminals and people with severe mental health issues getting hold of automatic weapons without any barriers whatsoever.
If they insist on having shooters then they should be licenced simple as. Also semi automatic and automatic weapons should restricted to range use and held and licenced by gun clubs, as there's no reason whatsoever a citizen needs one of those in their home.
 
I made it clear that I had only read the testimony of eye-witnesses.

The authorities don't yet know if fully automatic weapons were used, or modified semi-auto weapons.

To be fair to you, I do think it might be a modified semi-automatic rifle.

The shots sounded inconsistent in my opinion, although I'm not about to pretend I know much about guns.

A bloke in the live Reddit thread on the shooting was explaining something about a "bumper" which basically means the recoil of the gun means your finger hits the trigger at the right time to shoot quickly or like a "gat gun" attachment that reloads the gun and extremely high speed (he posted a YouTube video of someone achieving about 700 rpm with it on a semi-automatic rifle.
 
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If they insist on having shooters then they should be licenced simple as. Also semi automatic and automatic weapons should restricted to range use and held and licenced by gun clubs, as there's no reason whatsoever a citizen needs one of those in their home.
Exactly.
Its not like you would use an AR-15 to hunt deer.
That is a weapon of war.
Rifles and shotguns are for hunting, a handgun is for home defence, but the **** is a machine gun for? For WAR! and nothing else.
 
Exactly.
Its not like you would use an AR-15 to hunt deer.
That is a weapon of war.
Rifles and shotguns are for hunting, a handgun is for home defence, but the **** is a machine gun for? For WAR! and nothing else.

I've been shooting semi automatic rifles in Eastern Europe and even those crazy ****ers have banned automatic rifle use on ranges.

The only time you'd fire those things is for the craic on a range, stag party special. If you feel the need to have an AK-47 under your bed, then you're a ****ing crank.
 
I've been shooting semi automatic rifles in Eastern Europe and even those crazy ****ers have banned automatic rifle use on ranges.

The only time you'd fire those things is for the craic on a range, stag party special. If you feel the need to have an AK-47 under your bed, then you're a ****ing crank.
Agreed.

They haven't even outlawed armour piercing ammunition except in handguns.
But for rifles and automatic weapons, you are legally allowed to buy and use armour piercing ammunition!!!!
Why FFS?
Deer dont wear armour, and I dare say your average home intruder doesn't walk around in a kevlar vest either, so why in the **** would you allow armour piercing ammo?!!
 
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Agreed.

They haven't even outlawed armour piercing ammunition except in handguns.
But for rifles and automatic weapons, you are legally allowed to buy and use armour piercing ammunition!!!!
Why FFS?
Deer dont wear armour, and I dare say your average home intruder doesn't walk around in a kevlar vest either, so why in the **** would you allow armour piercing ammo?!!

Because it gives the kind of people that wear sunglasses indoors and handlebar moustaches an erection.
 
Agreed.

They haven't even outlawed armour piercing ammunition except in handguns.
But for rifles and automatic weapons, you are legally allowed to buy and use armour piercing ammunition!!!!
Why FFS?
Deer dont wear armour, and I dare say your average home intruder doesn't walk around in a kevlar vest either, so why in the **** would you allow armour piercing ammo?!!
It's simply because - they can...

The gun lobby is so powerful that there's virtually zero regulation and it's like a dick waving contest I suppose. "Hey, Bob, I've just gotten myself an armour piercing shell" Red neck ****wits
 
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Sounds increasingly like it was a Michael Douglas 'Falling Down' type incident, and a very normal type of bloke has completely lost the plot.
 
Sounds increasingly like it was a Michael Douglas 'Falling Down' type incident, and a very normal type of bloke has completely lost the plot.
Yeah, pretty much.
Unless he was just trying to get some sleep in his hotel room and the country music was keeping him awake.
 
Yeah, pretty much.
Unless he was just trying to get some sleep in his hotel room and the country music was keeping him awake.

The story is very patchy but apparently he's also gambled tens of thousands of dollars over the weekend. Whether he lost it all or not is unknown