VAR

[grumpygit]

Is this really what football has become though....

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Got to be honest, for me you've killed the game.

Manchester City in my eyes won that game fair and square, IF they were (unlikely) to lose the title by two points, I hope the money men in the game will realise that technology can bite you in the arse as well has being the misguided financial insurance policy.

Do I care whether Manchester City were robbed, not really.
Do I care that the Premiership has finally pressed the self destruct button, not really.
The Premiership has been drifting away from it's footballing roots for many years, it has become some kind of money orientated Hollywood type production, all I hope is that the EFL don't go the same way.

 

[brb]

Do I care whether Manchester City were robbed, not really.
Do I care that the Premiership has finally pressed the self destruct button, not really.
The Premiership has been drifting away from it's footballing roots for many years, it has become some kind of money orientated Hollywood type production, all I hope is that the EFL don't go the same way.

Well, you summed that up in a nutshell perfectly, but.......there is always a but! Not sure if you've heard or whether i have got this right, can't even remember what source I obtained the info from, maybe i dreamt it....the Championship clubs are also looking to break away from the EFL, they are fed up in the EFL not being able to get decent TV sponsorship. Sadly The Prem and Championship now feed one another with the lower basement end of the Prem, ping ponging between the two, it was inevitable the virus was going to spread.

 

[poshfan]

VAR is run by failed refs should scrap it

 

[alwaysright]

VAR is run by failed refs should scrap it

And referees are failed footballers

 

[alwaysright]

It just goes to show how stupid the various Football governing bodies can be ---

I 've been watching the Euro 2020 qualifier between Romania and Spain. I was surprised to see that there was no VAR for this game -- I presume that VAR is not deemed necessary for this high profile competition......
If VAR had been available. Spain would not have had a defender sent off - when he got the ball, in a 'last-man 'tackle - in which he kicked the ball against the Romanian forward - who then fell over !!!......

.... a certain irony then ensued - as the Romanian free kick taker took the shot - which struck one of his own teammates - causing him to fall over - this time ball coming into contact with balls

 

[sensiblegreeny]

VAR is run by failed refs should scrap it

If only this statement was true. The introduction of VAR for the premier league this season has had a huge knock on effect and it is the lower league who are suffering because of it. The problem is that experienced Refs are being taken for VAR duties and the lower leagues where they would have been officiating have had a large influx of novice Refs who seem to have been rushed up the ladder before they are ready.

This season I have witnessed the worst bunch of officials I have ever seen. Not for one match or for an odd decision because that has always been. We all know of matches where whoever the official is or experience they have they have had a mare. But, I have yet to see an even half decent Referee at a game I have attended and have read of a load of complaints at plenty of others where my club are not involved. They are truly shocking and that is the case whether my lot have gotten 3 points, one point or no points. Somebody commented near me on Saturday that if our Ref was officiating in Columbia he would have been dead by half time. Sadly I would have to agree with that sentiment. I would love the FA to explain why the lower reaches have to suffer yet again for the sake of the Premier League. Do they not realise that there is more to football than the Champions League and Top division. Leagues One and Two deserve some respect also.

 

[alwaysright]

What's the point ?
Well - apparently, according to Gary Neville; " VAR has been bought in so that Man Utd can beat Liverpool "!

If you're watching the match on Sky, you might feel like me -- why am I bothering ? The referee, quite correctly ( and a little harsh on Liverpool ), ruled out the Mane effort - for an 'accidental' handball ( yes - I do know that no such thing exists anymore ) -- but -- what about the foul by Lindelof on Origi - that allowed Man Utd to break and score their 'goal.' ? .... the score at half time should be 0-0.

If we have got VAR - how the hell does the panel come to the conclusion that there wasn't a foul on Origi (from behind ! ). The Sky commentator reckons that the obvious foul wasn't a clear and obvious error by the referee WTF !
The referee clearly didn't see the ball hit Mane's hand -- and I haven't got a problem with that - it was difficult to detect from his angle in 'real' time - VAR was used - CORRECTLY.
For the Man Utd 'goal', the referee AND the linesman SHOULD have come to the correct conclusion regarding the foul on Origi --- they really shouldn't have needed VAR ---- but -- who is on that panel today -- a group of monkeys ? ( when they're not officiating at Priestfield ).

 

[alwaysright]

VAR madness !

This link has to show the most ridiculous use of VAR. The Rule states that a referee can award a penalty - NOT that he must!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50196446

 

[grumpygit]

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[alwaysright]

Most road traffic accidents are as a result of CARELESS driving ---- that, is to say, the driver who is at fault is NOT reckless.
The driver is usually guilty of an error of judgement ( honest mistake ), whilst performing a manoeuvre that they have safely conducted many times before.
Sadly, there are times when the consequences of an 'honest mistake', will lead to greater injury than anyone would want --- but --- as in all 'crimes', the punishment should be governed by intent of the perpetrator ! The driver is rarely disqualified for acts of carelessness - despite the consequences of the accident.


I wonder how many of you watched the Everton v Spurs game ? What happened to Gomes wasn't nice, and I hope he makes a quick recovery - BUT- Was the tackle by Son reckless ? The referee didn't think so - he gave Son only a yellow card --- which was about right. Son made a genuine attempt to tackle Gomes. The tackle wasn't reckless, or wild. Gomes was ' accidently' tripped. The resultant injury was a 'freak.' The 'mechanics' of the tackle were made to look bad because of the impact with Aurier.

VAR, in it's infinite wisdom, then decided to tell the referee to consider a red card. I didn't see the referee go to the pitchside monitor - to look at a replay. If he had done so, he would have seen that the whole episode was an accident - NOT reckless. The yellow card for Son was correct. The referee needed to be strong and stick to his original ( correct ), assessment of the situation.

VAR guilty of 'double standards ' when it comes to the use of VAR. Apparently a defender can be given the benefit of the doubt relating to ' accidental ' handball -- but-- a forward cannot !..................................

................... and I have to ask " Is there ANY point in having a linesperson "? If they are 'not supposed' to wave their flag for offside (( VAR will overrule them if they get it wrong )), there is little benefit in these officials who fail to see blatant shirt pulling in front of their noses. If we introduce touchline technology for throw-ins, we can ditch the flagwavers -- and let VAR do the rest.

 

[grumpygit]

I wonder how many of you watched the Everton v Spurs game ? What happened to Gomes wasn't nice, and I hope he makes a quick recovery - BUT- Was the tackle by Son reckless ? The referee didn't think so - he gave Son only a yellow card --- which was about right. Son made a genuine attempt to tackle Gomes. The tackle wasn't reckless, or wild. Gomes was ' accidently' tripped. The resultant injury was a 'freak.' The 'mechanics' of the tackle were made to look bad because of the impact with Aurier.

VAR, in it's infinite wisdom, then decided to tell the referee to consider a red card. I didn't see the referee go to the pitchside monitor - to look at a replay. If he had done so, he would have seen that the whole episode was an accident - NOT reckless. The yellow card for Son was correct. The referee needed to be strong and stick to his original ( correct ), assessment of the situation.

Now that the red card has been rescinded, does that mean VAR was wrong and the ref was right.
If so then I suggest we need a system to check on VAR decisions when there has been a "clear and obvious error"

 

[brb]

Most road traffic accidents are as a result of CARELESS driving ---- that, is to say, the driver who is at fault is NOT reckless.
The driver is usually guilty of an error of judgement ( honest mistake ), whilst performing a manoeuvre that they have safely conducted many times before.
Sadly, there are times when the consequences of an 'honest mistake', will lead to greater injury than anyone would want --- but --- as in all 'crimes', the punishment should be governed by intent of the perpetrator ! The driver is rarely disqualified for acts of carelessness - despite the consequences of the accident.


I wonder how many of you watched the Everton v Spurs game ? What happened to Gomes wasn't nice, and I hope he makes a quick recovery - BUT- Was the tackle by Son reckless ? The referee didn't think so - he gave Son only a yellow card --- which was about right. Son made a genuine attempt to tackle Gomes. The tackle wasn't reckless, or wild. Gomes was ' accidently' tripped. The resultant injury was a 'freak.' The 'mechanics' of the tackle were made to look bad because of the impact with Aurier.

VAR, in it's infinite wisdom, then decided to tell the referee to consider a red card. I didn't see the referee go to the pitchside monitor - to look at a replay. If he had done so, he would have seen that the whole episode was an accident - NOT reckless. The yellow card for Son was correct. The referee needed to be strong and stick to his original ( correct ), assessment of the situation.

VAR guilty of 'double standards ' when it comes to the use of VAR. Apparently a defender can be given the benefit of the doubt relating to ' accidental ' handball -- but-- a forward cannot !..................................

................... and I have to ask " Is there ANY point in having a linesperson "? If they are 'not supposed' to wave their flag for offside (( VAR will overrule them if they get it wrong )), there is little benefit in these officials who fail to see blatant shirt pulling in front of their noses. If we introduce touchline technology for throw-ins, we can ditch the flagwavers -- and let VAR do the rest.

Now that the red card has been rescinded, does that mean VAR was wrong and the ref was right.
If so then I suggest we need a system to check on VAR decisions when there has been a "clear and obvious error"

For what I saw of the incident it was never a red card, and it demonstrates once again, why I have always been against this technology.

It may or may not have been retaliation for an earlier tussel between the players, but the sequence of events that followed was one of lifes mysteries when unfolding events were the circumstances of unforseen fate.

However, I did think the red card was a godsend for the player. Supporters can be very unforgiving when reacting to immediate events, so VAR got it wrong, but that wrong decision was probably for the best and took the immediate heat out of the situation, along with helping the offending player time to better compose himself.

 

[Resurgam]

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VAR reaches Sunday League games

 

[alwaysright]

The end of the World will have to wait --- until VAR says it's time !

In the Spurs v Man City game, the referee got it wrong when he initially didn't award a penalty. He also knew that VAR was checking the incident. The first replay of the incident showed the foul - hence , a penalty. It did't need a million replays to decide anything other than a penalty. It didn't need a delay of over two minutes, before the referee was to to award the penalty.

I have only just learned that if a team 'scores' a goal during the VAR check, it won't count ! What else won't count ? Yellow cards ?, Red cards ?, Christmas cards ?

If nothing of any consequence to the game is going to count during a VAR check, what is the point of continuing with the passage of play ? Why doesn't the referee blow the whistle & stop his watch, to allow for the check...........................................

..................... mind you, the end of the World might arrive before VAR reaches to a decision !

 

[grumpygit]

Try this one for a VAR story.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51350811

 

[alwaysright]

grumpygit
I saw that Spanish one yesterday -- VAR wasn't to blame for the eventual sending off -- the player should have known better - that the referee was going to use any reason to minimise his embarrassment of getting the original decision wrong.
The player deserved his second yellow for being a Worker (( blast - forgot to turn off my screen's swear filter ))

 

[brb]

The end of the World will have to wait --- until VAR says it's time !

In the Spurs v Man City game, the referee got it wrong when he initially didn't award a penalty. He also knew that VAR was checking the incident. The first replay of the incident showed the foul - hence , a penalty. It did't need a million replays to decide anything other than a penalty. It didn't need a delay of over two minutes, before the referee was to to award the penalty.

I have only just learned that if a team 'scores' a goal during the VAR check, it won't count ! What else won't count ? Yellow cards ?, Red cards ?, Christmas cards ?

If nothing of any consequence to the game is going to count during a VAR check, what is the point of continuing with the passage of play ? Why doesn't the referee blow the whistle & stop his watch, to allow for the check...........................................

..................... mind you, the end of the World might arrive before VAR reaches to a decision !

I did warn you guys about all this technology, but no one listens to brb

 

[Resurgam]

Did you gentlemen realise this?
Rochdale, Sheffield Wednesday, Oxford, Tranmere, Shrewsbury, Peterborough, Huddersfield, Luton, Port Vale, Wigan, Forest, Boro, Fylde, Derby, Leeds all had FA Cup matches this season away to PL clubs. They didn’t realise that they had to pay 50% of the VAR bill of £9251

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[brb]

Did you gentlemen realise this?
Rochdale, Sheffield Wednesday, Oxford, Tranmere, Shrewsbury, Peterborough, Huddersfield, Luton, Port Vale, Wigan, Forest, Boro, Fylde, Derby, Leeds all had FA Cup matches this season away to PL clubs. They didn’t realise that they had to pay 50% of the VAR bill of £9251

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I didn't even know VAR ripped off clubs for that much money!

Goal disallowed, that will cost you £9,251 please....even @alwaysright rates would be cheaper.

 

[alwaysright]

I wish I had the patent rights on VAR.
The payment by Clubs is an absolute disgrace. The FA make so much money generated by football clubs, it really is incredibly greedy to then charge them for anything that is spent on implementing the rules.