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BCFCRob said:
Probably says more about you than me.

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bit about me my Mrs father fought in the second world war. he fought in the Polish army and was smuggled into England as the Nazis would have put him in a concentration camp. He then joined the English army . When the war was won he could not return to Poland till for decades due to the Communists so seriously what is your point??
 
BCFCRob said:
Agreed with you completely until the end.

If for some bizarre reason there had been a statue of Hitler erected in the 1920's, I am 100% confident every single one of you would have backed it being taken down, at least if it was done by 'official' means. And I doubt most here would have been against the inevitable defacing it'd have received constantly.
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Not comparable. Hitler was a war criminal during his lifetime and would have been tried for this if caught, Colston did nothing illegal during his
 
Red Alert said:
whats your bizarre point here? unfathomable.
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BCFCRob said:
If for some bizarre reason there had been a statue of Hitler erected in the 1920's, I am 100% confident every single one of you would have backed it being taken down, at least if it was done by 'official' means. And I doubt most here would have been against the inevitable defacing it'd have received constantly.
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agree RA if HITLERS had had a statue put up would not have been in the 20's [possibly confusing WW1 with WW11 ! ] it would only have lasted had Sir WINSTON Churchill NOT given him the opportunity to commit suicide! and were all exterminated.

on the peanut orator …
he made a very important "statement" on our and his being "had Churchill not guided us through and won the war, had been defeated we not be here unless blued eyed blondes [ in other words paying homage to an historical fact ] amongst other reasons any human might not be here [ living ] or on a particular continent then you need to embrace history fully another example is AUSTRALIA! USA /CANADA …. before you adopt a physically orientated protest you need to read up on history, or make a statement … make sure you compare like for likes.... hindsight now tells us slavery was wrong [ how it was done] and conditions were poor [ all conditions throughout the world compared to today were poor no sanitation, no clean water, that's why they brewed beer, no real housing for the masses …
 
wizered said:
a worldwide problem past and present,they should also investigate people like Magabe, Idi Amin and a host of others listed here - https://historycollection.co/ten-corrupt-african-dictators-modern-history/2/, \ black people also have failures in there homelands and history, people should remember that.
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as I have pointed out before … the tribal thing has been going on for centuries . before the "slave trade era" [ which besides being in hindsight an abhorrent part of history ] many of the 80,000 would likely have been involved in the tribal conflicts where they often did and still do leave no prisoners!

Red Alert said:
bit about me my Mrs father fought in the second world war. he fought in the Polish army and was smuggled into England as the Nazis would have put him in a concentration camp. He then joined the English army . When the war was won he could not return to Poland till for decades due to the Communists so seriously what is your point??
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if you can get a logical point then that will be interesting.

Loathsneyd said:
Not comparable. Hitler was a war criminal during his lifetime and would have been tried for this if caught, Colston did nothing illegal during his
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:emoticon-0148-yes:
 
Loathsneyd said:
Not comparable. Hitler was a war criminal during his lifetime and would have been tried for this if caught, Colston did nothing illegal during his
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There are cases in the UK of people being retrospectively charged for crimes even if they weren't illegal at the time they were committed, if it's outlaw was naturally foreseeable. And slave trade opposition was certainly around during (and even before) Colston's time.
 
BCFCRob said:
There are cases in the UK of people being retrospectively charged for crimes even if they weren't illegal at the time they were committed, if it's outlaw was naturally foreseeable. And slave trade opposition was certainly around during (and even before) Colston's time.
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I need examples to consider this
 
wizered said:
Most of us realise, know, believe that slavery was, is and forever will be a crime against all life, I also know my own ancestry going back a couple of centuries and we were agricultural workers or farm labourers going way back, not slave owners, I am proud of my bloodline and I won't bend a knee, will stand tall and defend them against anyone, any creed, any religon, any 21st century movements who try to impose and force a way of life on me or mine and I am sure most members of our nation feel the same way.

I am proud to be English, proud of our nation, have pride in our history, principles, democracy, civilised life style, juidicial system, I just love our nation and all of the people that is a part of it, recent arrivals and older natives, some parts of our history judged on modern thinking and times were terrible and we should acknowledge that, not deny it, educate rather than try to bleach or brush out of our heritage, we were also responsible for the banning of slavery worldwide, we should be proud of that, it does not mean we forget the henious, stinking way we treated people prior to those days, how about other nations such as France, Spain, Portugal, Holland, Germany, Italy, Russia, China, have a study of them, it's a worldwide problem past and present,they should also investigate people like Magabe, Idi Amin and a host of others listed here - https://historycollection.co/ten-corrupt-african-dictators-modern-history/2/, \ black people also have failures in there homelands and history, people should remember that.

I'm personally glad the Colston statue is down and gone, I'm pissed off it was done by brute force and thugs trying to impose their minority views on the rest of us, it should have been done by the agreement of the majority and involvement of the people of Bristol.

I also hate members of the extreme right, the way they have swastikas on their t-shirts whilst pretending to defend the Cenotaph, I hope these contemptuous, fascits thugs are also taken off of our streets and banged up, they don't represent me in no way, shape or form.

People are flocking to live in our country, we should welcome those that would contribute to the benefit of the nation, stretch out a helping hand to those in dire need but always be confident that we are and always have been British, we will remain British, develop and move into the modern world, as one, united nation.
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The FLA and DFLA are not Fascists. What they are is predominately white and working class patriotic football fans. A cursory look at their politics on their sites means they cannot be Fascists. A nuanced point the MSM rarely make.

One of the organisers of Bristol's All Live Matter protest was black. A black veteran was present. Fascist? Far-Right?

From last weekend there has been media wide condemnation of these violent groups. Media reports stated six police officers were injured.

The previous weekend the media was reporting that the BLM protest's were largely peaceful. According to what media you read there anything up to sixty officers injured.

Regarding publicised narratives I think people should look critically at the media.
 
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Something else that has occurred to me over the weekend whilst mulling the current pandemic, considering the people like Matt Lucas and David Walliams apologising (for trying to be funny) and John Cleese correctly lambasting the BBC, whilst drinking beer was this.

We Brits are known for being broad shouldered, not taking ourselves too seriously, not being offended by name calling or personal jibes, and being able to laugh at ourselves. It's got us through world wars, depressions, and terrorism.

It therefore lead me to conclude that the British people protesting in this country, whether in support of BLM or the direct opposite over the last couple of week, don't seem to have any of those qualities or values, or if they do, then they are well hidden.

Thoughts ? Is it just me, or just an age thing ?
 
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wizered said:
Just a point of interest, my great grandfather and grandmother are both buried in St Mary's Churchyard , Henbury and everytime they get a visit you walk past the grave of Scipio Africanus who died in 1720, I understand that memorial and have known about the existance of slavery from reading that gravestone since I was a young fella.
http://bsten.co.uk/henbury-bs10/henbury-news/henbury-history/item/314-a-slave-s-grave-in-henbury
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That's something I've not heard of or seen before. Thanks for sharing
 
BCFCRob said:
Agreed with you completely until the end.

If for some bizarre reason there had been a statue of Hitler erected in the 1920's, I am 100% confident every single one of you would have backed it being taken down, at least if it was done by 'official' means. And I doubt most here would have been against the inevitable defacing it'd have received constantly.
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See, I feel different....I would have no problem with a statue of Hitler, so long as it portrayed and described the evil & suffering he caused....it's still history, there for it can not or should not be deleted or forgotten..
 
johngalleyfan2 said:
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agree RA if HITLERS had had a statue put up would not have been in the 20's [possibly confusing WW1 with WW11 ! ] it would only have lasted had Sir WINSTON Churchill NOT given him the opportunity to commit suicide! and were all exterminated.

on the peanut orator …
he made a very important "statement" on our and his being "had Churchill not guided us through and won the war, had been defeated we not be here unless blued eyed blondes [ in other words paying homage to an historical fact ] amongst other reasons any human might not be here [ living ] or on a particular continent then you need to embrace history fully another example is AUSTRALIA! USA /CANADA …. before you adopt a physically orientated protest you need to read up on history, or make a statement … make sure you compare like for likes.... hindsight now tells us slavery was wrong [ how it was done] and conditions were poor [ all conditions throughout the world compared to today were poor no sanitation, no clean water, that's why they brewed beer, no real housing for the masses …
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Without causing an arguement, but Hitler was in WW1 and this is where he rose to his power in 1920’s from his beliefs of WW1.
 
RedorDead said:
Without causing an arguement, but Hitler was in WW1 and this is where he rose to his power in 1920’s from his beliefs of WW1.
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He had not even made corporal at that point? or maybe just thereabouts who would put up a statue for an enlisted man unless he won some great distinction ???
and was the intended in uk?
 
johngalleyfan2 said:
He had not even made corporal at that point? or maybe just thereabouts who would put up a statue for an enlisted man unless he won some great distinction ???
and was the intended in uk?
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Fate plays some strange tricks; I visited the Canadian front line in France and was given a tour of the trenches there. The enemy in the trenches opposite included a young ‘runner’ - a certain Adolf Hitler. He was there for nearly 8 weeks doing his ‘running’ - the normal life expectancy of a runner was a few days. Amazing that he of all people lasted so long.
 
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wizered said:
Just a point of interest, my great grandfather and grandmother are both buried in St Mary's Churchyard , Henbury and everytime they get a visit you walk past the grave of Scipio Africanus who died in 1720, I understand that memorial and have known about the existance of slavery from reading that gravestone since I was a young fella.
http://bsten.co.uk/henbury-bs10/henbury-news/henbury-history/item/314-a-slave-s-grave-in-henbury
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Interesting but this bit "Some slaves were brought over to work in Britain and Blackboy Hill on the Downs marks the place where they were sold at auction"???
 
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