Match Day Thread United v Atletico Madrid

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glazerfodder said:
My one and only point is this - (not that I expect for a minute that there will be any support for this viewpoint) however, I completely and utterly fail to see the benefit that has been gained by sacking OGS and replacing him with Ralph. From my perspective he has achieved nothing, I don't even accept that our position in the PL has been improved measurably by him replacing OGS.

This isn't an OGS love-in, his time has been and gone, this is about what the **** was the point in taking OGS out of the game and replacing him with a complete unknown. For those who thought we were getting a Teutonic gegen pressing meister or a second-rate Klopp - well the reality is their for all to see. Whatever his ethos was, that boat has sailed, he clearly has no more authority over these players than the catering manager.

I still believe that history will show that we would have been better off keeping OGS until the end of this season and, in the background, been actively scouting the market (as we are now) for a replacement.

I would happily engage in any debate regarding how King Ralph has taken us any further than we were under the previous manager. We are sliding down the PL table - we already were. We are out of the CL and all other domestic cup competitions - so by what single measure have we been improved by appointing King Ralph??
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We are quite entertaining to watch now and seem to have some sort of plan?
 
glazerfodder said:
My one and only point is this - (not that I expect for a minute that there will be any support for this viewpoint) however, I completely and utterly fail to see the benefit that has been gained by sacking OGS and replacing him with Ralph. From my perspective he has achieved nothing, I don't even accept that our position in the PL has been improved measurably by him replacing OGS.

This isn't an OGS love-in, his time has been and gone, this is about what the **** was the point in taking OGS out of the game and replacing him with a complete unknown. For those who thought we were getting a Teutonic gegen pressing meister or a second-rate Klopp - well the reality is their for all to see. Whatever his ethos was, that boat has sailed, he clearly has no more authority over these players than the catering manager.

I still believe that history will show that we would have been better off keeping OGS until the end of this season and, in the background, been actively scouting the market (as we are now) for a replacement.

I would happily engage in any debate regarding how King Ralph has taken us any further than we were under the previous manager. We are sliding down the PL table - we already were. We are out of the CL and all other domestic cup competitions - so by what single measure have we been improved by appointing King Ralph??
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Well some of us have been telling you where we've improved, on the pitch where it matters, but you're not listening.

The only thing regarding the rest of your post is, that appointing an interim has its disadvantages - that's not specific to Rangnick but anyone. However, it was clear when Ole was sacked that we couldn't rush the appointment of a permanent manager and so risk making the same mistakes as the past. I guess we had to bring in an interim, and I can only guess we brought in Rangnick because he is a precursor to the direction the club wants to head in with the next permanent managerial appointment. Hence why Rangnick will be given a consultancy role upstairs afterwards.

Keeping Ole would've done nothing to move us forward or prepare for the direction the club wants to go. Plus the performance and results were becoming shamefully embarrassing.
 
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Treble said:
The thing is, we lack the goals up front to compete at the moment. You can just about get away with a leaky defence if you're converting chancing and outscoring the opposition. We just aren't doing that, so the inevitable is that we won't be winning anything or finishing Top 4.

I'd much rather be pragmatic about it and look to the overhaul in our club structure and ethos once this season's over. I've said this before, but the anticipation of that genuinely excites me more than going one more round in the CL.
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Yeah, we're ****ed up front, that's where the problem lies. For as long as we have to rely on Ronaldo, Sancho, Cavani, Rashford and Elanga we're ****ed for sure.
 
Treble said:
Well some of us have been telling you where we've improved, on the pitch where it matters, but you're not listening.

The only thing regarding the rest of your post is, that appointing an interim has its disadvantages - that's not specific to Rangnick but anyone. However, it was clear when Ole was sacked that we couldn't rush the appointment of a permanent manager and so risk making the same mistakes as the past. I guess we had to bring in an interim, and I can only guess we brought in Rangnick because he is a precursor to the direction the club wants to head in with the next permanent managerial appointment. Hence why Rangnick will be given a consultancy role upstairs afterwards.

Keeping Ole would've done nothing to move us forward or prepare for the direction the club wants to go. Plus the performance and results were becoming shamefully embarrassing.
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What ****ing direction is that then, what is the great King Ralf teaching the unenlightened English football world that we couldn't see until he arrived from the lower tiers of Russian football - blind leading the blind and taking the ****tards along with them.
 
glazerfodder said:
Yeah, we're ****ed up front, that's where the problem lies. For as long as we have to rely on Ronaldo, Sancho, Cavani, Rashford and Elanga we're ****ed for sure.
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Our lack of finishing is where out problem lies, we're creating bundles of chances. Just not converting.

Our defence is a liability so we have to convert chances and outscore the opposition which we're not doing despite the chances we're creating.

I know the actual football, that thing we do on the pitch, is something you never want to talk about, but what I've said is the reality.
 
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Treble said:
Our lack of finishing is where out problem lies, we're creating bundles of chances. Just not converting.

Our defence is a liability so we have to convert chances and outscore the opposition which we're not doing despite the chances we're creating.

I know the actual football, that thing we do on the pitch, is something you never want to talk about, but what I've said is the reality.
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We do still struggle against a good block defence, we don't have enough intelligent players that make "dummy" runs to pull defenders away and create a bit of space/time for the strikers.
 
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glazerfodder said:
What ****ing direction is that then, what is the great King Ralf teaching the unenlightened English football world that we couldn't see until he arrived from the lower tiers of Russian football - blind leading the blind and taking the ****tards along with them.
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He's turning a fifty tonne artic lorry weighted with the baggage of the past 6/7 years, on a dual carriageway.

That's what he's doing right now.
 
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Treble said:
Our lack of finishing is where out problem lies, we're creating bundles of chances. Just not converting.

Our defence is a liability so we have to convert chances and outscore the opposition which we're not doing despite the chances we're creating.

I know the actual football, that thing we do on the pitch, is something you never want to talk about, but what I've said is the reality.
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So, our attackers are crap, our defence is **** and our overall play is ................. why didn't someone point out all these improvements before - how could I have been so blind. Now I see - we are no ****ing further forward than we were and all you ****ers are jizzing off over some has been German who should be working as a second tier coach at Reading.
 
Diego said:
We do still struggle against a good block defence, we don't have enough intelligent players that make "dummy" runs to pull defenders away and create a bit of space/time for the strikers.
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Absolutely this. The movement of our forwards in the final third is ****. They either ball watch or end up occupying the same space in the box and easily get crowded out by defenders.
 
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glazerfodder said:
So, our attackers are crap, our defence is **** and our overall play is ................. why didn't someone point out all these improvements before - how could I have been so blind. Now I see - we are no ****ing further forward than we were and all you ****ers are jizzing off over some has been German who should be working as a second tier coach at Reading.
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Actually we are all quite excited about the fact that many of the players are now starting to show their ability.
 
glazerfodder said:
So, our attackers are crap, our defence is **** and our overall play is ................. why didn't someone point out all these improvements before - how could I have been so blind. Now I see - we are no ****ing further forward than we were and all you ****ers are jizzing off over some has been German who should be working as a second tier coach at Reading.
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What part of how our build up play, creativity and attacking football has improved, did you not understand? We were creating fck all, barely making it past the half-way line, passing it around our defence ad-infinitum under Ole. The football was dire.

At least we have some creativity, we're passing the ball netter and moving it forward and actually pose an attacking threat. I'd rather we were creating 10-20 chances and not scoring than passing it round the back, inviting pressure on our defence and losing 4/5 nil.
 
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Diego said:
You really need to explain that bit.
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All the stories, the crap in the papers, the agents reaction - it never happened under the previous manger - we were way of the pace but there was harmony in the dressing room. King Ralf cannot command the same level of respect as OGS and his underwhelming US staff and disquiet about their training methods have been a matter of public record for some time. All I'm saying is that the club should have left OGS in place, yes he would have been a dead man walking and the season was a write off, but they could have retained the stability on and off the pitch until a new manager was found. King Ralf is going to be the worst thing that happened to this club for a long time - to think that someone like Rashford has become ****e and disillusioned just reinforces the point.
 
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