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colognehornet said:
The number of Eurosceptic MEPs will decrease after 31st of October SH. because 29 Brexit Party MEPs will be leaving. Britains seats will then be reallocated amongst the other countries with some places being kept in reserve in case of new entries into the EU. Those which are reallocated will be done so on the basis of looking at which countries are currently underrepresented because of population change. I do not know how many extra seats France would get, if any, or how they would be allocated. But one thing is clear - the hard right will lose 29 seats because of the departing of Nazi Nige and his cronies.
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It is already decided France will receive one extra seat, given to Le Pen's far right party.
 
SNP vote in Scotland has swept Labour away. Tories only able to come in 4th, but I suppose that is better than in England.
 
superhorns said:
What you fail to understand is probably the majority of Tories were so disgusted by the blocking tactics against Brexit they were compelled to register a protest vote. This also occurred en masse on the remain side. I can assure you I am a paid up member of the Conservative party which is why I will be taking my duty to elect a new Prime Minister on your behalf very seriously.

The eurosceptic combined parties will amount to about a third of all MEPs, they will have a strong voice in the new parliament.
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I find it amazing that the Cons think that it is democratic for a relatively small number of people, mostly old or middle England, to vote in a new PM yet after an election where more people voted for remain parties, the Cons are still not prepared to put a deal to the country for it to be ratified. I believe that democracy will eventually happen and I suspect that deal will be agreed but at least we the people will have made that descision.
 
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Chris 13 said:
I find it amazing that the Cons think that it is democratic for a relatively small number of people, mostly old or middle England, to vote in a new PM yet after an election where more people voted for remain parties, the Cons are still not prepared to put a deal to the country for it to be ratified. I believe that democracy will eventually happen and I suspect that deal will be agreed but at least we the people will have made that descision.
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Parliament agreed to fixed term period parliaments. Within that agreement there are arrangements to enable the fixed term to be less. A change of leader within the ruling political party is not specifically one of them. There is precedence for not calling a general election. It is clear the current unpredictability deems it unwise for the incumbents to take such a reckless chance until it is fully confident of victory. This is normal politics.
 
Chris 13 said:
I find it amazing that the Cons think that it is democratic for a relatively small number of people, mostly old or middle England, to vote in a new PM yet after an election where more people voted for remain parties, the Cons are still not prepared to put a deal to the country for it to be ratified. I believe that democracy will eventually happen and I suspect that deal will be agreed but at least we the people will have made that descision.
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Unfortunately this is the nature of UK politics Chris. Voters elect parties not leaders. We tend to personalize politics in the UK. but, in the end, it comes down to the party and not the leader of it. Of course if the Tories were to conduct an election campaign with the slogan ''Your PM over the next 5 years is going to be any muppet we choose to force on you'' (and the Tories have many muppets to choose from) then it would not go down well with the electorate and so they don't do this - better to turn the whole thing into personality politics, like in the USA, that way people don't read through party manifestoes. People should realize what they are voting for at the beginning - the truth is that the Tories could replace the PM with a double headed frog and there is nothing which we can do about it. The only hope is if Tory MPs do not accept the new PM and start crossing the house.
 
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colognehornet said:
Unfortunately this is the nature of UK politics Chris. Voters elect parties not leaders. We tend to personalize politics in the UK. but, in the end, it comes down to the party and not the leader of it. Of course if the Tories were to conduct an election campaign with the slogan ''Your PM over the next 5 years is going to be any muppet we choose to force on you'' (and the Tories have many muppets to choose from) then it would not go down well with the electorate and so they don't do this - better to turn the whole thing into personality politics, like in the USA, that way people don't read through party manifestoes. People should realize what they are voting for at the beginning - the truth is that the Tories could replace the PM with a double headed frog and there is nothing which we can do about it. The only hope is if Tory MPs do not accept the new PM and start crossing the house.
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A double headed headed frog would be a far better choice than most of the runners to be fair.
 
There are several ways to make plausible comparisons. The simplest is to compare the Brexit party’s 5.2m votes across the UK with the Lib Dems and the pro-remain Greens, who attracted 3.4m and 2m. Taken together, they come out 142,000 votes higher at 5.4m.

A second method is to take all the pro-Brexit parties – Farage’s party, Ukip and the DUP – and compare that against the pro-remain parties, taking in Change UK and Scottish, Welsh and Irish nationalists. That gives you 5.9 million voting unambiguously pro-Brexit and 6.8 million voting for remain parties, including 884,000 from the SNP, Plaid, Sinn Fein and the Alliance Party in Northern Ireland.
 
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oldfrenchhorn said:
There are several ways to make plausible comparisons. The simplest is to compare the Brexit party’s 5.2m votes across the UK with the Lib Dems and the pro-remain Greens, who attracted 3.4m and 2m. Taken together, they come out 142,000 votes higher at 5.4m.

A second method is to take all the pro-Brexit parties – Farage’s party, Ukip and the DUP – and compare that against the pro-remain parties, taking in Change UK and Scottish, Welsh and Irish nationalists. That gives you 5.9 million voting unambiguously pro-Brexit and 6.8 million voting for remain parties, including 884,000 from the SNP, Plaid, Sinn Fein and the Alliance Party in Northern Ireland.
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Whichever way you look at it our country is split eh.. And the main parties in disarray..

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Still a right awful mess the self-servatives have left us in. The LD/Green split was crucial to Brexshit Ltd getting the seats. Still, hardly the landslide that was predicted, certainly not in terms of the voting percentage. Still, disappointing to see so many voting for an assortment of thinly disguised nazis, religious bigots, nepotist chancers who'll gut what's left of the country for their own ends given the chance.
 
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We are constantly being told that 17 million voted to leave the EU in the referendum. 5.9 million voted in the EU elections for parties that want to leave. Where did 11.1 million voters go to?
 
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oldfrenchhorn said:
We are constantly being told that 17 million voted to leave the EU in the referendum. 5.9 million voted in the EU elections for parties that want to leave. Where did 11.1 million voters go to?
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What a silly question. The leave voters were in the same place as the missing remain voters - at home.
The referendum was the defining ballot as legislated by parliament after much debate. This is the only democratic decider on the UKs membership of the EU. We leave on or before the 31st October.
 
superhorns said:
What a silly question. The leave voters were in the same place as the missing remain voters - at home.
The referendum was the defining ballot as legislated by parliament after much debate. This is the only democratic decider on the UKs membership of the EU. We leave on or before the 31st October.
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Your latest hero doesn't seem to think that your party is capable of leaving even by 31st October. Seeing as you have such high regard for him, you aren't going to start doubting him now are you.
 
According to business news enough banking and insuring services have now left London for other centres for it to lose the number 1 rating. More going on in New York now, and all because of Brexit.
 
It didn't get a lot of notice, but in the Northern Ireland vote for the EU parliament two out of the three elected candidates were from remain parties. This shows that the DUP are now not speaking for the voters, yet without those MPs the current government would fall. How much more money will the Tory party find to keep these few MPs in tow, despite the fact that they don't speak for the people they represent?
 
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