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"A moment of crisis" is how the PM described the situation should MPs vote down her deal next week. Just who has brought about this crisis? To start with Cameron, followed by people like BoJo, Gove, Farage etc, but then May herself. It is her deal that she wanted to take full credit for until she found out that leaving the EU was a rubbish idea, and that some within her party still had some honour, and were prepared to put the country ahead of their own political ambitions. Of course there are a group within her party who want her out, and will do whatever to bring the crisis on as they see it as an opportunity to do just that.
Why should a country be in this state, when they never needed to be? It is ridiculous. This is all about political ideology, and it has thrown the country into crisis. Vast amounts of money can be thrown at failed ferry contracts, but if you want some more police officers the cupboard is bare. Money is available to buy ten votes, but schools are having to get teachers to clean the toilets as 8% per pupil has been cut from their budgets.
Ask a leaver what the benefits of leaving the EU will produce, and they will tell you it is about control. Every trade deal that might come about in the future will mean giving away some control. Of course these leavers don't care how it comes about, they either want to have their wealth protected, or to have enough money to get through the week. The first in this group know what they are doing, the second group have been sold a pup.
 
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They're now laying legislation in Parliament which would only be used in a no deal. It's getting very real. But it's ok - it's all the EUs fault.
 
It's sad, so sad (so sad)
It's a sad, sad situation
And it's getting more and more absurd
It's sad, so sad (so sad)
Why can't we talk it over?
Oh it seems to me
That sorry seems to be the hardest word.

The third line just about sums the current situation up perfectly as the Government desperately tries to cling onto power for another few days.
 
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I don't know if any of you knew this but Mr Grayling has been transport secretary before...

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So how many of the 3 votes to come this week will go the way Mrs May probably wants them to?

Of course if she somehow gets the deal through the next 2 won't happen...​
 
Markthehorn said:
So how many of the 3 votes to come this week will go the way Mrs May probably wants them to?

Of course if she somehow gets the deal through the next 2 won't happen...​
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Not the foggiest what she will do next, apart from taking a trip this evening to Strasbourg. Seems that she has to go as she has lost her Skype password. :emoticon-0100-smile
 
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"I’m struck, as the British parliament moves towards the endgame on Brexit, with the number of times Australia, Canada, New Zealand and India have been advanced by the Brexiteers in the public debate as magical alternatives to Britain’s current trade and investment relationship with the European Union. This is the nuttiest of the many nutty arguments that have emerged from the Land of Hope and Glory set now masquerading as the authentic standard-bearers of British patriotism. It’s utter bollocks."

Former Australian prime minister, Kevin Rudd:
 
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Last night I watched David Lidington trying to make a statement in the Commons. I almost felt sorry for him as he tried to stick to the government line, but you could see that his heart wasn't in it. Asked what the motion before the chamber would say for the debate today, he didn't know, and his discomfort was made worse when a Labour MP tried to help him out by telling him that you could download a copy from Twitter. What the hell is going on if Twitter is getting information before MPs get to see a document? Something very wrong going on here.
 
After all the dashing off for late night talks and a heavy dose of gloss varnish about the "new" deal, the attorney general has published his advice. What does he have to say?
Read the last paragraph and you find, "However, the legal risk remains unchanged that if through no such demonstrable failure of either party, but simply because of intractable differences, that situation does arise, the United Kingdom would have, at least while the fundamental circumstances remained the same, no internationally lawful means of exiting the Protocol’s arrangements, save by agreement."

So they played around with some wording, but the problem of the backstop, in some MPs minds, is that nothing has changed.
 
Charles Walker was very pragmatic and says Parliament and the government has failed the British people and will go down as the weakest in history.. And he also thinks Labour may win.. Listen to what he says.. Before you post your wind ups.
We are seriously trying to discuss here. [emoji106]
Notice the level of debate since you have been away.

Shocking state of affairs..

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yorkshirehornet said:
Charles Walker was very pragmatic and says Parliament and the government has failed the British people and will go down as the weakest in history.. And he also thinks Labour may win.. Listen to what he says.. Before you post your wind ups.
We are seriously trying to discuss here. [emoji106]
Notice the level of debate since you have been away.

Shocking state of affairs..

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There is an increasing possibility of the Labour Party splitting which could result in factions of the left fighting each other. This would allow the Tories to build on one of its largest market share of the votes. If the the debate is too difficult for you best just desist in posting. Alternatively try to come up with something original if you can.
 
superhorns said:
There is an increasing possibility of the Labour Party splitting which could result in factions of the left fighting each other. This would allow the Tories to build on one of its largest market share of the votes. If the the debate is too difficult for you best just desist in posting. Alternatively try to come up with something original if you can.
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You seeking to provoke as always.. Really rather boring.. Can you not possibly just debate and discuss

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yorkshirehornet said:
You seeking to provoke as always.. Really rather boring.. Can you not possibly just debate and discuss

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You need to learn that sometimes in debates there are views which may not mirror your own. Rather than being catty try to offer an alternative view without being offensive.
 
Just back to find out that the government once again is unable to get the legislation through with a massive defeat. It should have been obvious that the PMs red lines have been the stumbling block for two years, yet she is still unaware that she is the problem, and not only is the country still split, but she has succeeded in tearing the Tory party apart. It is now just a party of factions, which you can say about the other main party, but it was always thought until now that the Tories would come together. The fact that she has said tomorrow a "free" vote will take place, shows that she now knows she cannot even hold her cabinet together now. This whole shambolic situation cannot be laid at the hands of anyone else but the party who invoked the referendum simply to try and heal divisions within.
 
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