Off Topic UK / EU Future

[superhorns]

I think that anyone who reads this will see the usual reaction. Blame anyone but yourself for getting into a mess. Bank managers, Prime Ministers, cabinet ministers, other posters, the EU. You reflect the ERG and DUP. Minorities who are only interested in what is good for them, and the country is of secondary importance. Maybe I am not surprised, but you don't seem to have tackled the questions I asked about future inward investment.

There is a world of difference between your 'manager' role and an entrepreneur with sole financial responsibility. You clearly lack the dubious experience of dealing with UK banks that can, and do, withdraw funding at short notice.
Any doubts about the viability of my business were misplaced as it remains just as strong today.

The claim regarding blaming others is laughable coming from you as you manage it daily, the original grumpy old git

 

[superhorns]

There is a world of difference between your 'manager' role and an entrepreneur with sole financial responsibility. You clearly lack the dubious experience of dealing with UK banks that can, and do, withdraw funding at short notice.
Any doubts about the viability of my business were misplaced as it remains just as strong today.

The claim regarding blaming others is laughable coming from you as you manage it daily, the original grumpy old git

If it had all gone wrong I would have been left with little options except buying a cheap do upper in the outbacks of France, mon dieu!!

 

[rudebwoy]

If it had all gone wrong I would have been left with little options except buying a cheap do upper in the outbacks of France, mon dieu!!

just out of interest , what business are you in sh , buildng industry ?

 

[superhorns]

just out of interest , what business are you in sh , buildng industry ?

none, I'm retired.

 

[Hornet-Fez]

just out of interest , what business are you in sh , buildng industry ?

Not in the business of answering the questions asked, by the looks, the sort of side stepping and deflection usually the tactic of young earth creationists.

Whatever, there's far too much money going into far too few pockets. I'm all for entrepreneur-ship and making a financially successful fist of things... just not at the expense of others.

If a person works a 35-40 hour week, at whatever job, then they should be able to properly house, clothe, feed and have money enough for savings and leisure... not to be at the mercy of food banks, unscrupulous landlords, hand me downs and ever decreasing circles.

It's about those at the top paying their fair whack. It's about reinvesting that tax for the betterment of society. How much money can an individual need? Millions is one thing... billions is obscene.

 

[superhorns]

Not in the business of answering the questions asked, by the looks, the sort of side stepping and deflection usually the tactic of young earth creationists.

Whatever, there's far too much money going into far too few pockets. I'm all for entrepreneur-ship and making a financially successful fist of things... just not at the expense of others.

If a person works a 35-40 hour week, at whatever job, then they should be able to properly house, clothe, feed and have money enough for savings and leisure... not to be at the mercy of food banks, unscrupulous landlords, hand me downs and ever decreasing circles.

It's about those at the top paying their fair whack. It's about reinvesting that tax for the betterment of society. How much money can an individual need? Millions is one thing... billions is obscene.

Apart from claiming I dodged a question I cannot disagree with any of that. There is far too many rewards for failure at the top of many companies. It could be argued that our players should not receive millions of pounds per year, compared to a nurse's salary it is obscene. The problem being once you start to interfere with the free market and limit rewards for those considered to be desirable they will find employment elsewhere. I actually enjoy watching our over paid prima donnas from distant shores.

I did actually answer factually, if you require further information: my last business was manufacturing medical devices, namely single use products. The business is now owned and run by one of my daughters and her husband. I am now a patio laying labourer (when the weather improves!!!).

 

[rudebwoy]

Apart from claiming I dodged a question I cannot disagree with any of that. There is far too many rewards for failure at the top of many companies. It could be argued that our players should not receive millions of pounds per year, compared to a nurse's salary it is obscene. The problem being once you start to interfere with the free market and limit rewards for those considered to be desirable they will find employment elsewhere. I actually enjoy watching our over paid prima donnas from distant shores.

I did actually answer factually, if you require further information: my last business was manufacturing medical devices, namely single use products. The business is now owned and run by one of my daughters and her husband. I am now a patio laying labourer (when the weather improves!!!).

unless you were manufacturing them single handedly , you were using labour ,and therefore others provided your profits , a capitalist . did you make the machine ? no . the health service provided you with a market ? so in effect you have been beneficiary of favourable circumstances throughout , only a tiny minority can ever have that under a market economy....... don’t start talking about risk taking and entrepreneurship, that’s all self inflating ego gas

 

[rudebwoy]

Back at ground zero , got a council meeting today where we have the odious task of agreeing the budget for next year , horrendous process where cuts to services and increase of rates have to be bartered , personally all councils should collectively refuse to do this , central govt would be unable to cope , the ideological austerity programme is obscene , it’s a destruction of the welfare state , to enable privateers to benefit from the mess , northamptonshire tried it in extreme , they are bust .
I suppose it depends on what kind of society you want , one that is equitable and looks after all , or the kind evident in tin pot dictatorships where a tiny few are obscenely rich , corruption is endemic and the masses are just fodder .

 

[superhorns]

unless you were manufacturing them single handedly , you were using labour ,and therefore others provided your profits , a capitalist . did you make the machine ? no . the health service provided you with a market ? so in effect you have been beneficiary of favourable circumstances throughout , only a tiny minority can ever have that under a market economy....... don’t start talking about risk taking and entrepreneurship, that’s all self inflating ego gas

The people producing the products are Chinese, thankful they have employment because under the Communist regime there is no social financial protection whatsoever from the government. No unemployment pay, no free health service, no sick pay etc. If the NHS did not take advantage of this cheaper labour source it would be bankrupted due to impossibly high costs for products.

Your really don't live in the real world..

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

There is a world of difference between your 'manager' role and an entrepreneur with sole financial responsibility. You clearly lack the dubious experience of dealing with UK banks that can, and do, withdraw funding at short notice.
Any doubts about the viability of my business were misplaced as it remains just as strong today.

The claim regarding blaming others is laughable coming from you as you manage it daily, the original grumpy old git

Wrong on every count.

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

If it had all gone wrong I would have been left with little options except buying a cheap do upper in the outbacks of France, mon dieu!!

You really don't seem to understand that if you have sufficient money, you can have a thing called lifestyle choice. Having spent years indoors with financial projections, contracts, planning applications, etc. I had seen more than enough paperwork, and preferred to have an outdoor life, and am lucky enough to have sufficient land to indulge my preference.

 

[superhorns]

You really don't seem to understand that if you have sufficient money, you can have a thing called lifestyle choice. Having spent years indoors with financial projections, contracts, planning applications, etc. I had seen more than enough paperwork, and preferred to have an outdoor life, and am lucky enough to have sufficient land to indulge my preference.

I understand land is dirt cheap in unfashionable parts of rural France. It gives Brits the opportunities they cannot afford in the UK.

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

I understand land is dirt cheap in unfashionable parts of rural France. It gives Brits the opportunities they cannot afford in the UK.

As usual your reply is all about money. To quote an old saying, "some people know the cost of everything, and the value of nothing."

 

[superhorns]

As usual your reply is all about money. To quote an old saying, "some people know the cost of everything, and the value of nothing."

Unfortunately people expect to be paid actual money for their properties, most unreasonable.

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

MPs should think twice about voting against the prime minister’s deal next Tuesday, because we will then be in unknown territory where a consensus will have to be forged across the House of Commons, and that will inevitably mean compromises being made. So said Philip Hammond on the radio today. Surely the Tories must realise that their deal was not approved, that the demands of the extremists are not going to be met, and finding a way out of the current mess that they have created should be number one priority, no matter how many red lines are ditched.

 

[yorkshirehornet]

I think all SH is interested in is his money... Not a whiff about the real world. I suggest he spends some time doing meaningful charitable work... The real world..

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[Hornet-Fez]

Apart from claiming I dodged a question I cannot disagree with any of that. There is far too many rewards for failure at the top of many companies. It could be argued that our players should not receive millions of pounds per year, compared to a nurse's salary it is obscene. The problem being once you start to interfere with the free market and limit rewards for those considered to be desirable they will find employment elsewhere. I actually enjoy watching our over paid prima donnas from distant shores.

I did actually answer factually, if you require further information: my last business was manufacturing medical devices, namely single use products. The business is now owned and run by one of my daughters and her husband. I am now a patio laying labourer (when the weather improves!!!).

Unless I've missed something, Yorkshire Hornet posted the following and I don't see that these have been answered.
"I have not heard one comment from you that indicates you are anything other than a right wing voter who had joined the Tory party recently and positions themselves in the right of that party.
Your economic views are all right wing.
Your views on sovereignty are all right wing.
How about your views on
Education
Health
Social Care
Justice
Society
??"

If EVERYBODY were to limit rewards then we might get a fairer society. I think in Japan (and I stand to be corrected) there is a limit where the top executives receive 20x the lowest waged worker: So if your, say, box-packer is on £7.50p.h. for a 40 hour week then the most you can earn is a little over £300.000 as a salary. Percentage profit bonus is another matter, it should be a meritocracy after all. Anything over that salary, including bonuses, should be subject to something like 70%+ tax. I have no problem with the company Jag being somewhat tax-deductible but I object when the company lear jet is registered in the Isle of Man to avoid tax.

Nor do I have a problem with sports stars, actors, musicians etc., being very well rewarded. Sports people have short careers, generally, and everybody "wants a piece" of personalities so they should have enough money to afford their privacy, or rather their security, to a degree... again their popularity merits this.

The average person is suffering... even I struggle some months and I am on a salary consummate with my position as a construction design professional... and I can assure you that, whilst not a salary at the upper end of what I could expect, I do very nicely compared with many of my friends and family. I have a senior colleague who cannot even afford to buy a house in the locality - not because his salary is poor, but because of the way our society is run - and it's wrong. Fractally wrong.

What we have is rampant capitalism, unchecked, and it is unsustainable. And it will get much worse before it gets even a little better and that is unacceptable.​

 

[yorkshirehornet]

Unless I've missed something, Yorkshire Hornet posted the following and I don't see that these have been answered.
"I have not heard one comment from you that indicates you are anything other than a right wing voter who had joined the Tory party recently and positions themselves in the right of that party.
Your economic views are all right wing.
Your views on sovereignty are all right wing.
How about your views on
Education
Health
Social Care
Justice
Society
??"

If EVERYBODY were to limit rewards then we might get a fairer society. I think in Japan (and I stand to be corrected) there is a limit where the top executives receive 20x the lowest waged worker: So if your, say, box-packer is on £7.50p.h. for a 40 hour week then the most you can earn is a little over £300.000 as a salary. Percentage profit bonus is another matter, it should be a meritocracy after all. Anything over that salary, including bonuses, should be subject to something like 70%+ tax. I have no problem with the company Jag being somewhat tax-deductible but I object when the company lear jet is registered in the Isle of Man to avoid tax.

Nor do I have a problem with sports stars, actors, musicians etc., being very well rewarded. Sports people have short careers, generally, and everybody "wants a piece" of personalities so they should have enough money to afford their privacy, or rather their security, to a degree... again their popularity merits this.

The average person is suffering... even I struggle some months and I am on a salary consummate with my position as a construction design professional... and I can assure you that, whilst not a salary at the upper end of what I could expect, I do very nicely compared with many of my friends and family. I have a senior colleague who cannot even afford to buy a house in the locality - not because his salary is poor, but because of the way our society is run - and it's wrong. Fractally wrong.

What we have is rampant capitalism, unchecked, and it is unsustainable. And it will get much worse before it gets even a little better and that is unacceptable.​

Well articulated... This divide is indicative off all that is wrong with our society.. Well manipulated and managed by those who seek to profit...
We have lost libraries children centres youth clubs special schools rampant increase in child mental health issues and knife crime.. Just an example of all that is wrong in one segment of our society..

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[oldfrenchhorn]

The UK benefits from more than a 1,000 international deals through membership of the EU. Despite what was said about simply rolling them all over, it has been confirmed that it was not true, and so 161 were picked out as vital to keep the country running. These include things such as aircraft flights and electricity supplies. Stephen Barclay the Brexit Secretary has confirmed that only 43 have been sorted out, a further 21 may be ready, but not certain, and the remaining 97 have no chance of being ready by the end of the month. So if these vital deals are not ready, what happens then?

 

[yorkshirehornet]

The UK benefits from more than a 1,000 international deals through membership of the EU. Despite what was said about simply rolling them all over, it has been confirmed that it was not true, and so 161 were picked out as vital to keep the country running. These include things such as aircraft flights and electricity supplies. Stephen Barclay the Brexit Secretary has confirmed that only 43 have been sorted out, a further 21 may be ready, but not certain, and the remaining 97 have no chance of being ready by the end of the month. So if these vital deals are not ready, what happens then?

We await the evangelical and pie in the sky....