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superhorns said:
I'm afraid I'm scaling down on Brexit until after my holiday, I expect it all to be well and truly sorted while I'm away. The EU will cave in and the trade deals will be rolling in faster than I can say Funchal.

This is an automated message, I am away and cannot be contacted by those with difficult questions until I return. :emoticon-0100-smile
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I think you are taking the same approach as your leader. Hope that it will all go away, and believe that anyone with a difficult question will forget to ask it again.
 
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oldfrenchhorn said:
I think you are taking the same approach as your leader. Hope that it will all go away, and believe that anyone with a difficult question will forget to ask it again.
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Indeed - and I'm starting a be nice to ofh campaign because I might soon be asking to camp in your garden. No offence to Cologne but the weather round your way sounds better at the minute :-)
 
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yorkshirehornet said:
Standard of debate in the commons this afternoon pretty awful... with lots of background shouting, interruptions, and false points of order.... pretty shameful really
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It was a disgrace from both sides at the start Yorkie, but some of the non-front bench MPs really are very good at putting over a point of view. What is being proposed seems like another step back into a world of fairy tales. Everyone knows that the EU will not re-open two years of talks, yet that is what some of the dumbos are instructing the PM to do. Time and time again what are the "alternative arrangements" that the government preferred amendments talk. about was asked. The MPs were not told what they might be because they don't know yet. Bit like agreeing to buy a new car at a price without knowing what model you will get.
 
I see the Tories are voting as a block tonight on every amendment. If an amendment has Corbyn's name on it they vote against it even though some of them agree with it. So much for putting the interests of the country before their precious party - cowards to the last man.
 
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colognehornet said:
I see the Tories are voting as a block tonight on every amendment. If an amendment has Corbyn's name on it they vote against it even though some of them agree with it. So much for putting the interests of the country before their precious party - cowards to the last man.
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Merely the Tories correctly respecting the referendum.
 
It would seem cologne that Labour MPs are voting against their own party whip simply because they are frightened of their own constituency parties. It seems bizarre however that according to the PM a deal a week ago that was set in stone, can now be taken back to Brussels and sorted out to suit her party.
Interesting that a cross party amendment has been passed to rule out a no deal outcome. There is clearly no desire across parliament to leave without a deal.
 
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oldfrenchhorn said:
It would seem cologne that Labour MPs are voting against their own party whip simply because they are frightened of their own constituency parties. It seems bizarre however that according to the PM a deal a week ago that was set in stone, can now be taken back to Brussels and sorted out to suit her party.
Interesting that a cross party amendment has been passed to rule out a no deal outcome. There is clearly no desire across parliament to leave without a deal.
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MPs continue to respect the referendum result despite Labour playing political games. The amendment ruling out a no deal is non binding on the government. This has been a good night for May. The remainers have been routed.
 
colognehornet said:
So, when Corbyn brings in an amendment calling on government to rule out a no deal Brexit it fails, but when Caroline Spelman (Tory) brings in almost exactly the same amendment it passes !
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I am afraid that Corbyn is his own worst enemy. He is not the right person to be leading the party despite increasing membership. Just watch the body language. Corbyn speaks, and the government benches laugh. Kier Starmer speaks and the same people look worried. For too long people have been saying that there is no effective opposition. The polls suggest that the young are leaving Labour because of Corbyn spending too long on his fence. Maybe he should get off of it, and either say he cannot lead it with his own views, or say that he will take note of his membership and really oppose the government.
 
superhorns said:
MPs continue to respect the referendum result despite Labour playing political games. The amendment ruling out a no deal is non binding on the government. This has been a good night for May. The remainers have been routed.
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I thought you were not around. As you are perhaps you would like to now answer the question that you ducked yesterday.
 
superhorns said:
MPs continue to respect the referendum result despite Labour playing political games. The amendment ruling out a no deal is non binding on the government. This has been a good night for May. The remainers have been routed.
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No time for gloating SH. The Tories have struck up a temporary, uneasy, peace which will last for just 2 weeks until May comes back from Brussels empty handed - there are no more concessions on offer regarding the Northern Irish backstop - Tusk has indicated this already. All that happens is that we will waste another 2 weeks of valuable time which is, of course, what you want. However, the important vote tonight was in wanting to rule out the possibility of a no deal Brexit - this was the only vote tonight which gives us an indication of where Parliament stands on this - possibly because it was the only cross party amendment.
 
superhorns said:
MPs continue to respect the referendum result despite Labour playing political games. The amendment ruling out a no deal is non binding on the government. This has been a good night for May. The remainers have been routed.
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Non binding eh? :rolleyes:
 
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oldfrenchhorn said:
I am afraid that Corbyn is his own worst enemy. He is not the right person to be leading the party despite increasing membership. Just watch the body language. Corbyn speaks, and the government benches laugh. Kier Starmer speaks and the same people look worried. For too long people have been saying that there is no effective opposition. The polls suggest that the young are leaving Labour because of Corbyn spending too long on his fence. Maybe he should get off of it, and either say he cannot lead it with his own views, or say that he will take note of his membership and really oppose the government.
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I am starting to despair of Corbyn Frenchie. In the end he has to get off the fence on this - he is the wrong person in the wrong place at the wrong time (I think i'm repeating myself here <laugh>). His commitment at the party conference was to try to force a general election (failed in that), and then to commit to a second referendum - which is the only course of action which could have a majority in Parliament, as it does in the country. I sometimes think that Corbyn is not worried by a hard Brexit, as long as the Tories get the blame for it.
 
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colognehornet said:
I think you will find that the referendum was non binding as well !!!!
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I'm guessing that the new mantra -not just from SH to be fair to him - will be that there is a difference between a non binding referendum and a non binding government amendment.
 
colognehornet said:
I am starting to despair of Corbyn Frenchie. In the end he has to get off the fence on this - he is the wrong person in the wrong place at the wrong time (I think i'm repeating myself here <laugh>). His commitment at the party conference was to try to force a general election (failed in that), and then to commit to a second referendum - which is the only course of action which could have a majority in Parliament, as it does in the country. I sometimes think that Corbyn is not worried by a hard Brexit, as long as the Tories get the blame for it.
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I agree with your last sentence which is why I thought some Labour MPs may have been tempted to back the deal. If a no deal exit is as calamitous as even some moderate forecasts they won't be confident of winning seats. It's getting more farcical by the day.
 
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