Off Topic UK / EU Future

You cannot blame me for your obvious lack of knowledge in business, especially internationally trading goods. You often repeat scare stories which you have simply picked up from the Guardian, very few having any basis in the real world.

 

As if you don't repeat scare stories which you have picked up from somewhere ! Can we try to have a little respect here for others - nobody here has an 'obvious lack of knowledge' in anything - you do not know us personally, or much about us at all.

 

I disagree, it is easy to detect those parroting the Guardian view that there is no technological alternative to the backstop have absolutely no experience or understanding of the issue. You on the other hand seem to be well versed on the subject of political party membership !!

 

I don't think that Yorkie actually mentioned the backstop SH. He was referring to the reaction of businesses to a hard Brexit. What you are not facing up to is the fact that Britain is not only turning its back on the EU. here but on the entire World. Britain has preferential access to over 50 World markets as a result of EU. membership - all these will disappear when Britain leaves, leaving them all to be renegotiated on a one for one basis. Trading on WTO conditions also needs the agreement of other countries - which, in some cases, is not yet forthcoming. I take it that you do not read the Guardian - so how would you know if people are 'parroting' from it ? The expression 'Absolutely no experience or understanding of the issue' when referring to other fellow posters is not acceptable, or inclined to win you friends. The only result of such comments is that people turn off from actually giving any credit to your ideas.

 

That is just downright rude... I follow the news like many do day by day.. Why oh why do you seek to insult?
You seem unable and unwilling to stop smearing my posts with personal abuse

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This is nothing whatsoever to do with the Guardian or technology... I mentioned neither..

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I do read the Guardian as well as many other sources of news. I make no apologies for exposing much of the clique's paid up member's propaganda as faulty project fear fairy stories.

 

An interesting read from the government.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exporting-and-importing-fish-if-theres-no-brexit-deal

Probably all project fear.

 

Complete BS. There is no clique and people are reporting on what many commentators are noting...

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Your BS comments are simply regurgitated from the Guardian.

 

Funnily enough I get most of my information from online sources including the times, telegraph guardian and BBC.. I get hard copy of the Times too... And maybe the guardian on a Friday... So you will have to admit you are wrong.. But of course your sense of self could never admit to that could it?


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The backstop only comes into effect if the supposed technological alternative to a hard border isn’t proven to accurate.

Yet the same people who claim the border issue is easy to solve with technology are the very same ones who are most vociferous in their objection to the backstop, something that will only happen if they’re proven to be lying. Quite how anyone can simultaneously hold both of these positions and yet expect to be taken seriously is beyond parody.

We’ve got a Govt who spent 2 years negotiating and agreeing a deal, and then within weeks have voted against their own negotiated deal, we’re a Global laughing stock.

 

I get all my info from 'Black Flag', 'Class War' and the 'Green Anarchist' None of this pinko Guardian stuff for me ! I confess to looking in the 'Socialist Worker' sometimes When referring to 'The Clique' you have to understand that we are an anarcho syndicalist underground organization which is recording every word you say for future use

 

Yesterday the government had to admit that they had tried to bribe Nissan despite saying that they hadn't. The fact that the amount offered was not enough shows how bad the situation is for the company, and with the new EU-Japan trade deal it will be much better to just wind down the UK operations. Today the Home Secretary had to apologise to the Commons once again over the failings of his department. Now we have the PM telling the DUP and Moggy to take a runner as the country will not leave the EU without a backstop. Why is the government so dysfunctional?
I get information from many places including government sources, but must go in search of 'Black Flag', 'Class War' and the 'Green Anarchist' that I have never heard of.

 

Now I read that on several Internet sources.. Was it in the guardian too?

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Is there a clique daily newspaper edited by that arch project fear exponent Osborne?

 

Listening to the comments after the PM went to Ireland today and met the political leaders it was obvious that she had nothing new to offer. The parties there are as split over what should happen next as the MPs are in Westminster. The frustration in Brussels came to the fore as they have compromised, yet still the UK keeps coming back asking for more. It was pointed out in PMQs that if the nutcases that exist in both main political parties left things to the sensible ones, a decent outcome could be achieved.
Maybe the time has come for an entirely different approach. The PM is likely to come back with nothing that will get the rump of her own MPs or the DUP to agree to a few tweaks to the current agreement. Corbyn will still continue to want a general election, which he will not get unless things happening in the 1922 committee tonight turn out differently to what we might expect. So what should happen if the current deal plus tweaks is voted down again? A parliament in deadlock over the issue created by a foolish referendum, requires one of several options.
Do nothing, and let the time run out.
Hold an election.
Hold a referendum on the current deal.
Create an independent commission with people from the EU and UK to find a solution, with a time limit of two years.
The last one is the entirely different approach and would probably suit many from the centres of the two main parties. I have no idea if the EU would go along with the idea however, and I am sure that the anti-EU MPs would be against it as it would require time and they might lose what they see as a chance to change the country into something that they constantly try to disguise.

 

My post was actually out of order, childish and petty so apologies - and cheers for taking it in a good spirit.

 

If only all posters has such decency...… and come to that MPs too ….