Transfer thread Summer 2015
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Not to mention Harry Toffolo. Not just an ordinary LB it'd seem! Agree about the CB priority!
Adam Drury is a free agent might be worth a punt 
https://mcfc.co.uk/elite-development-squad/defenders/adam-drury
https://mcfc.co.uk/elite-development-squad/defenders/adam-drury
Not really too fussed if so and anyway I think it's unlikely. Given how much we got for Snodgrass, who was by far the proven player and much more effective, Hull's behaviour has been pretty unacceptable, particularly in the way they are manipulating their own fans - if they don't agree with valuations, they should sort it out privately. I suspect partly this is because they feel slightly mugged off by the Snodders deal even though it was in no way our fault.
So if any other club is going to gazump us by bidding £6-7m, they'll just be getting mugged off instead of us. Fine by me. By all accounts, Toffolo might be worth risking for the first few games until Olsson is fit again. Then we can go back in for Brady in January and Hull can be a bit more sensible about things with only 6 months left on his contract
Totally agree with Rob's analysis on this one. Let's see how Bolshie Bruce is when he is sitting mid table and Brady is looking at running down his contract in January.
Not too sure what Hull have done that's so bad to be honest, and if anything I'd say our derisery initial bid of £2m was the biggest example of taking the urine - however I didn't realise he was in the final year of his contract, I guess that should be factored in to any valuation.
Am I getting concerned at the current situation - yes I bloody well am!! At the current rate of progress we will face Palace in less than 3 weeks with a back 4 consisting of a right back who is defensively dodgy - and for whom we have little cover apart from moving over a central defender or using a winger who has only performed in that role on a stand in basis - a young left back who is completely untried - and for whom there is no established left sided midfielder to help him out - and a pair of central defenders who previously failed at this level. I would think Zaha will wonder who to pressurise first!! Whilst other so called ' lesser lights ' are spending good money on the likes of Wijnaldum, Kaboul and Cabaye we have got a free transfer - a very good one IMO - and Dorrans who many on here were glad to see the back of at the end of last season. We need Brady, an experienced CB and cover for Jerome and we need them quick even if it means paying a couple of million over the odds otherwise the season will turn into an irretrievable struggle from the beginning.
It wasn't derisory - by all accounts it appears to have been pretty much bang on market for him given his contract. It wasn't acceptable to them, fine, but as a starting point in negotiations it was perfectly reasonable as the lowest point to open with.
What's so unacceptable is to be disclosing details of deals that are under negotiation with the sole intention of winding up fans. We've seen how pissed off McNally gets about it, and I totally agree with his approach. We simply do not have the information to know what exactly is going on, so Steve Bruce giving us snippets and soundbites which essentially aren't true anyway (our bid won't have been "£2m", it will have included market standard add-ons, sell-on clause and the like which means the true value is much more than the up front fee) is simply designed to play on supporters' ignorance and emotions.
Either give us the whole deal on the table, contract and all, plus all the valuations so people don't make emotive comments, or keep it fully under wraps and make announcements after the deal is done or collapsed. That's what we did with the Snodgrass deal and, prior to his injury, Hull got an exceptional bargain for a player in his prime because we recognised that he was in the final year of his contract and we kept negotiations private. The least they could have done is given us the same or dismissed our bids privately.
I very much doubt McNally will be in a hurry to work with Hull again.
Although it has just struck me that Bruce is a bit of a prima donna and it might not be all Hull's fault. It wouldn't surprise me if he's the one playing to Hull fans' emotions to get them on his side v Allam.
I actually feel pretty sorry for Hull fans in this. Bruce's antics are going to essentially leave them disappointed with whatever deal is agreed for Brady. Whereas they could have kept it all under wraps, and then announced something like that they had got "£[5m] for a young player, which represents exceptional value given he is in the final year of his contract" and then everything would have been hunky dory. But Bruce couldn't keep his fat mouth shut so now they've got themselves in a bit of a fix.
I actually feel pretty sorry for Hull fans in this. Bruce's antics are going to essentially leave them disappointed with whatever deal is agreed for Brady. Whereas they could have kept it all under wraps, and then announced something like that they had got "£[5m] for a young player, which represents exceptional value given he is in the final year of his contract" and then everything would have been hunky dory. But Bruce couldn't keep his fat mouth shut so now they've got themselves in a bit of a fix.
I'm sorry, but I just don't understand how you think £2m for Brady would be bang on the market price for him, and then go on to describe the £8m (or whatever it was we got) for Snodgrass as an "exceptional bargain", particularly as the contract situation was the same for both. By the way I have absolutely no interest at all in the transfermarket.com valuations, the calculations are far to flaky to be anything like meaningful.
Do you really think Snodgrass is worth four times what Brady is? I certainly don't, Brady is four years younger, not even approaching his prime yet and is a player I rate highly so I stand by my comment that our £2m bid for him was derisory and if I were a Hull fan I'd probably be thinking that it's us who is taking the p1ss and that I wouldn't want to deal with us in the future, rather than the other way round.
I dunno, I personally think you're maybe being a bit touchy about this one, I don't see what Hull have done wrong at all.
Do you really think Snodgrass is worth four times what Brady is? I certainly don't, Brady is four years younger, not even approaching his prime yet and is a player I rate highly so I stand by my comment that our £2m bid for him was derisory and if I were a Hull fan I'd probably be thinking that it's us who is taking the p1ss and that I wouldn't want to deal with us in the future, rather than the other way round.
I dunno, I personally think you're maybe being a bit touchy about this one, I don't see what Hull have done wrong at all.
There is still 3 weeks until the season begins and 6 weeks until the window closes, so it is far too early to panic. Bruce needs money to buy players, so he is trying to force the issue. His latest antic is to say that he won't stay unless Hull get more ambitious which must be unsettling for their present players as well as anybody they'd like to recruit. If Brady joined us now would he go out to Germany? Probably not, so there's no immediate rush to sign him. AN has said that we are working on other deals, it's just that the other parties are more professional than Hull.
I do. You don't have to trust the transfermarkt valuations and I didn't mention them that is you projecting (as has been agreed many times on this thread ad nauseam there are problems with them particularly being out of date, but used in hindsight you can see they are pretty accurate), however presumably you would accept that there are comprehensive player valuations carried out for every professional transfer?
Snodgrass was 27, i.e. peak, proven contributor from midfield. He was very much a "hit the ground running" player (albeit he hit subsequently the ground a bit too hard...) That's what valuation is, whereas Brady's barely proven and hasn't really contributed that much so far. His value is much, much more shaky. I am not sure why people put so much stock in players being young as if this guarantees an increase in value - it doesn't. Player prices don't go up based on them simply being young. Performance is the main thing that counts for the valuation.
On valuations for Brady though, look at comparables - final 12 months of his contract, a defender-cum-winger not having proven much, in a relegated club, though with promise. You'd expect opening bids to be in and around his asset valuation. I'd be very surprised if his asset valuation is much more than £2-2.5m (Martin Olsson is around that based on how much we paid for him in exactly the same circumstances i.e. 12 months left on his contract and I doubt his value has gone up much). Is Brady more valuable than Olsson? I very much doubt it.
The touchiness on what Hull have done is a different question. I'd call it vicarious touchiness. I'm only "being a bit touchy" because of the impression that McNally has given our approach to player transfers in his tenure - we like to do our deals quietly, negotiate properly, and leave a deal that suits all parties (see, for example, Hamilton Accies). That's how he likes it. Professional. It is not professional to go mouthing off to the Press. That is amateur, 1980s style football management. It doesn't surprise me in the least to see it come from Bruce on that basis, and is typical of clubs that are not run like businesses but as rich boys' play things.
I appreciate that all this makes me sound more wound up than I actually am about this. I really am bored of the Brady saga and couldn't actually care that much what happens. I am just guessing that McNally is unimpressed purely based on what has happened. I could well be wrong.
EDIT: just seen about Bruce in RER's post
. That pretty much settles it for me. I apologise to Hull fans - it's pretty clear to me who is being an unprofessional pillock now... Old squashed nose is just trying to rile them up.
Do you think that £7m was Hull's opening bid for Snodgrass, Munky? I don't. His market value is just under £5m, so I'd think they started around that, if not a bit under. Snodgrass is a much more valuable player. I'd say that they got value for money and we got money for value. Paying £7m for Brady would not be either and I'd be unhappy if we caved in to Bruce's inflated values.
Sorry Rick but I have no interest in how long the transfer window has got to go - my concern is the start of the season which is less than 3 weeks away. The fixture list has given us a favourable start and we need to take full advantage of that. To do so we need new players bedded into the unit before the season starts - not sometime in September - and that is why I suggest we need any new players now.
Hull paid about £6m for Snodders plus add-ons (of which we haven't got much because he hasn't met the criteria) 
and in fact they've only paid I believe about half of that so far, with several million still owed.
For his performance in two seasons under us, the price they paid was a decent bargain for them (though not a ripoff for us as he only had 12 months left on his contract). It was all round a decent deal.
and in fact they've only paid I believe about half of that so far, with several million still owed.For his performance in two seasons under us, the price they paid was a decent bargain for them (though not a ripoff for us as he only had 12 months left on his contract). It was all round a decent deal.
The one thing I don't understand is why everyone is rating Brady so highly. I'd only heard of him in passing as some youth player for Hull until we were linked to him. And no-one else is remotely interested in signing him based on what is publicly available.
By contrast Snodders was the best-value fantasy football player cos of all those goals and assists!
By contrast Snodders was the best-value fantasy football player cos of all those goals and assists!
We currently have a squad of 25 senior players (18 of whom have played in the PL) and 8 younger players. I disagree that our defense failed in the PL. We went down (narrowly) because we failed to score enough goals. I have no problems with Whittaker, Martin and Bassong starting against Palace. I can see that Olsson's injury is a short-term problem (given that he has gone out to Germany), but that's not insurmountable. I agree that it'd be desirable to have another senior option available at LB and another at CB by the time the squad returns from Germany, but it isn't make or break. I certainly don't want any 'panic buys' to cover short-term problems.
Brady has played around 60 Premier League games, just a handful fewer than Snodgrass despite being four years younger so I don't really get how I am suposed to simply accept that Snodgrass was a "proven contributor" whilst Brady is "barely proven", I'm sorry but the facts just don't support that. He is an established international as well, having scored three times for his country already, and don't forget his versatility in being able to play in several diferent positions. The general concensus on here (not my personal view I should add) is that Snodgrass was a one-trick pony with no pace, could only use his left foot and only be operated as an inverted winger. Don't forget that Brady came through the ranks at Man United as well, so I'd say he definitely has more pedigree.
I appreciate that you're not particularly excited by his potential signing and that you're not happy with the way Bruce is going about things, but you can't be serious in saying that you think a 23 year old international who can play in a number or positions, knows how to score, has two seasons of Premier League football under his belt and is an established international is only worth £2m but that Snodgrass was an "exceptional bargain" at £8m.
I personlly think £6m for Brady would be a great piece of business and hope that we can get things finalised by the weekend, and I really don't care what Steve Bruce says, I really don't think he's done much wrong at all (his £15m original valuation was clearly tongue in cheek!)
I appreciate that you're not particularly excited by his potential signing and that you're not happy with the way Bruce is going about things, but you can't be serious in saying that you think a 23 year old international who can play in a number or positions, knows how to score, has two seasons of Premier League football under his belt and is an established international is only worth £2m but that Snodgrass was an "exceptional bargain" at £8m.
I personlly think £6m for Brady would be a great piece of business and hope that we can get things finalised by the weekend, and I really don't care what Steve Bruce says, I really don't think he's done much wrong at all (his £15m original valuation was clearly tongue in cheek!)