Transfer thread Summer 2015
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Oh my god, KIO, don't entice that rabble over here
Must admit the format of the Pink Un message board is so archaic and frustrating it's beyond belief really, I'm just broadening my horizons though by posting over there ocassionally.
Don't forget we do have some right numptys on here too, myself included
If it's true we made an opening bid of £2M and have so far upped our bid to just £3M McNally is either taking the piss, stupid or completely naive.
......I would hope he's taking the piss
I don't think McNally is doing either, KIO, as to do so would be caving in to Bruce's unprofessional tactics. Look between the lines when Bruce says: "Robbie Brady will not be going for anywhere near that. If it happens, it happens but Norwich are nowhere near the figures we would even think about accepting at the moment."
Bruce is willing enough to talk about Brady 'going' and 'if it happens, it happens', and goes on to compare Hull selling Tom Ince, also 23 and a LW, to Derby for £4.75m. Ince, however, has a Transfermarkt 'asset value' of £4.55m compared with Brady's current 'asset value' of £1.4m. Derby paid £200,000 over Ince's 'asset value'. Our £2m bid was £600,000 over Brady's 'asset value'. There is nothing embarrassing about that, or £2.5m or £3m and Bruce knows it. It's just gamesmanship on his part.
Carrabuh describes Rob's scenario as 'loose', but that is because the Transfermarkt 'asset value' is indicative of a starting point in negotiations or what is called the bottom edge of the 'negotiation zone' between buyer and seller. Derby started at an 'asset value' of £4.55m and moved up to a final price of £4.75m. It would seem that Hull were keen to sell, even though Ince had two years left on his contract and the same degree of potential that Brady has. The contract negotiations with Brady are Hull's last desperate gamble. If he signs, then fine and we move on. If he doesn't, they either keep him for a year and then get nothing or sell him now and get £3m or more.
You're obsessed with Transfermarkt.You want to buy a player we don't want to sell, so either you make an offer that we can't refuse, or you won't get him.
I expect you to offer something like £5m next and I expect that will also be rejected, whatever the **** Transfermarkt think he's worth.
Every player has his price, there's no player at any club that wouldn't be sold if the right offer came in, but you're currently nowhere near.
Just in the name of accuracy, we weren't happy to sell Ince, Bruce absolutely didn't want him to go. It seems our owner put a £5m option to buy in his loan agreement with Derby,without Bruce's knowledge and they exercised it. We tried to stop it by demanding the full £5m up front, with a £750k add-on if they're promoted in the next four years and a 15% sell-on clause, but they met all the terms and got him.
Mark Bunn has joined Villa, so he's gone from bench warming here to bench warming there.
I would have thought he would have been better moving to a Championship club where he would play regularly, especially at the stage of his career.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/9907565
I would have thought he would have been better moving to a Championship club where he would play regularly, especially at the stage of his career.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/9907565
You want to buy a player we don't want to sell, so either you make an offer that we can't refuse, or you won't get him.
I expect you to offer something like £5m next and I expect that will also be rejected, whatever the **** Transfermarkt think he's worth.
Every player has his price, there's no player at any club that wouldn't be sold if the right offer came in, but you're currently nowhere near.
Just in the name of accuracy, we weren't happy to sell Ince, Bruce absolutely didn't want him to go. It seems our owner put a £5m option to buy in his loan agreement with Derby,without Bruce's knowledge and they exercised it. We tried to stop it by demanding the full £5m up front, with a £750k add-on if they're promoted in the next four years and a 15% sell-on clause, but they met all the terms and got him.
It would seem that your owner is not as good at negotiating as you said he was. Now that you've gone to contract negotiations it will be Brady who makes the final decision.
All depends if your main interest is playing or earning as much money as you can. I wonder if he will be second choice or third choice behind Guzan and Steer. Whatever, I just hope he is in goal when we play them as I never rated him.
Oh my god, KIO, don't entice that rabble over here
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Whether it's the wolf, Brady etc as I predicted a few weeks ago our dealings are turning into a disaster. Why does McNally never learn
........Hmm, see what you mean Cromer
I can't see us letting Brady leave for any less than 7 or 8 million, which would just be a fair price for both parties, and imo we really should be holding out for more. He's a genuinely quality player, young and experienced. 3 or 4 million is nothing close to what he's worth, even with just 12 months left on his contract.
Transfermarkt values are a load of bollocks, as is comparison to the Ince deal who despite also having 12 months left on his contract, almost never played for us, didn't go to a premier league team rolling in cash and had a release clause which determined his fee anyway.
Transfermarkt values are a load of bollocks, as is comparison to the Ince deal who despite also having 12 months left on his contract, almost never played for us, didn't go to a premier league team rolling in cash and had a release clause which determined his fee anyway.
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Whether it's the wolf, Brady etc as I predicted a few weeks ago our dealings are turning into a disaster. Why does McNally never learn
........Hmm, see what you mean Cromer
This is a poster who has had many, many names over the years and is a total pillock.
I look forward to the day when professional negotiation consultants advise their club to base their initial offer on what the other club's fans think their player is worth.
Seriously ? ............. Feck I hope not, especially at that ridiculous price and a 'one season wonder'
http://www.twtd.co.uk/ipswich-town-news/27636/
http://www.twtd.co.uk/ipswich-town-news/27636/
What I don't understand is if Brady is so good & versatile why does it appear that no one other than us is after him. Maybe our offer is all a smoke screen whilst McNally is sorting out other matters i.e. buying VanDijk from Celtic. I think Brady would be a good buy and strengthen us, but I think a quality CB (better than we currently have) and a striker of a similar level to Jerome or better should be our priorities. I wouldn't want to pay more than £5m for Brady. As far as RvW is concerned I think we just need to cut our losses and get rid of him, he isn't good enough for the premier league and his attitude stinks.
You want to buy a player we don't want to sell, so either you make an offer that we can't refuse, or you won't get him.
I expect you to offer something like £5m next and I expect that will also be rejected, whatever the **** Transfermarkt think he's worth.
Every player has his price, there's no player at any club that wouldn't be sold if the right offer came in, but you're currently nowhere near.
Just in the name of accuracy, we weren't happy to sell Ince, Bruce absolutely didn't want him to go. It seems our owner put a £5m option to buy in his loan agreement with Derby,without Bruce's knowledge and they exercised it. We tried to stop it by demanding the full £5m up front, with a £750k add-on if they're promoted in the next four years and a 15% sell-on clause, but they met all the terms and got him.
Either you're very thick or wumming. The asset valuation thing has now been explained to you several times.
If you've understood it, then stop misrepresenting the reason why posters are referring to it otherwise you just sound like you're trying to pick a fight.
I'd you haven't understood it, go back and reread the explanations until you have. All it shows is that our original offers are bang on market and Bruce's whining is just a pathetic attempt to get a rise out of his fans.
Either way - we now virtually know from Bruce's moronic comments that you'll accept £5m for him. You'd be mugging us off big time as he's not really worth that even on a long contract. But if our manager really wants him I guess we'll probably end up paying that much for him to get a deal done. Honestly, if I was you I'd stop moaning on our forum and start being a bit more pleased about the fact your club is close to mugging us out of £5m for a player no other club wants with only 12 months on his contract.
How fascinating that the call option in Ince's loan agreement with Derby was priced at a close point to his asset valuation. Entirely a coincidence, I'm sure. I bet they just plucked a figure out of the air when they were negotiating sending him out on loan. Probably threw a dart at a board and put that number of millions tbh.
After all, football really is just a game. It's Monopoly money and no one really pays attention to the contracts.
No I'm sure our Chairman looked at his market value on a third party website and decided his price from there
If you seriously think the player values that site makes up hve any relevance to anything whatsoever, you need locking up.
Robbie Brady, he's One Step Beyond...
You lot need to lighten up, jeez.
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You lot need to lighten up, jeez.
Some people seem to think transfermarket is a football bible. I'm far from convinced it is. Who monitors it, or is it the football version of Wikipedia? I ask because I've tried to use it for work - contacting agents for programmes I've worked on - it's so ridiculously out of date and filled with incorrect information, it's useless. I learnt very quickly (and with a red face) that you cant take much on it to be accurate.
I'm not sure it's worth talking sense to these guys Rob. It only encourages senseless replies.