Transfer thread Summer 2015

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If all is to be believed with this Brady affair, then it seems to me that McNally is being far too tight, it´s very obscene I know, but such is the way of football these days that £3 mill would hardly buy a pair of boots. Considering the reverse procedure that happened around this time last year, ended with Hull paying £8 mill for Snodgrass, £3 mill ( irrespective of the player´s valuation) seems derisory - Snodgrass at the most, was worth £4 mill. It´s all very well McNally wanting to stem the tide, and force a club to accept less than they want, but here I think he´s overdoing it a bit. Brady sounds to me like a perfect fit for Neil and the club, and we could certainly do with another left-sided player, and cover for Olsson. He´s certainly worth £5 mill imo, and possibly more, time for McNally to bite the bullet and return with a £5 mill bid, otherwise I can see one of the other watching clubs pinch him from under our noses or Hull giving him an improved contract.

All clubs would like to buy for as little as they can, and sell for as much as they can, but the first, certainly doesn´t happen that often in today´s climate. We don´t want to be left chasing around for the scraps again, just because we´re determined to play hardball.
 
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You apparently offered £2m, £2.5m, then £3m, while all the time you were being told we wanted £10m, it seems an utterly pointless exercise to me.

No doubt he would be sold for less than £10m, but anything less than double what you've offered so far will simply be ignored.
 
originallambrettaman said:
You apparently offered £2m, £2.5m, then £3m, while all the time you were being told we wanted £10m, it seems an utterly pointless exercise to me.

No doubt he would be sold for less than £10m, but anything less than double what you've offered so far will simply be ignored.
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£7m is the latest asking price though? So Hull are definitely budging too. I don't doubt for a minute that we are going in low - that's what bargaining is. It's probably to disturb Brady's contract extension talks. Makes sense. I strongly suspect that if we're going £2-3m then there's something that you (and we) don't know and it is highly unlikely that Hull have stuck to £10m. I reckon if the deal goes through it will be somewhere square in the middle of the current asking price and bidding price. Say £4.5m. Which by all accounts would be a very fair price for a young, unproven player with only a year left on his contract
 
We have allegedly offered those sums, I wonder if it's a low initial cash sum with addons rising the amount, like an arse covering exercise ala RvW. Maybe the headline figure is the only bit being reported?

Just a thought
 
Canary Rob said:
£7m is the latest asking price though? So Hull are definitely budging too. I don't doubt for a minute that we are going in low - that's what bargaining is. It's probably to disturb Brady's contract extension talks. Makes sense. I strongly suspect that if we're going £2-3m then there's something that you (and we) don't know and it is highly unlikely that Hull have stuck to £10m. I reckon if the deal goes through it will be somewhere square in the middle of the current asking price and bidding price. Say £4.5m. Which by all accounts would be a very fair price for a young, unproven player with only a year left on his contract
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Your local press/fan-sites are reporting £7m, ours aren't and neither are the nationals...

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/452410/Hull-Norwich-9m-Ireland-winger-Robbie-Brady

Our local radio station was told by the club last night, that you'd made three bids, the highest of which, £3m, was only a third of our valuation and was derisory.

I expect we'd want at least £7-8m, though if he turns down the new offer and indicates he wants out that could drop to £5-6m.

I don't believe it will drop below that whatever happens.
 
I totally agree with RBF here, it's madness but the going rate for a fairly good but not brilliant PL player is now several £M. As more and more money enters the game from the TV companies it's always the fans that seem to miss out with the players now earning obscene amounts as ticket prices and merchandise soar.
Where will it all end ? <yikes>
 
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royalbarclayfan said:
If all is to be believed with this Brady affair, then it seems to me that McNally is being far too tight, it´s very obscene I know, but such is the way of football these days that £3 mill would hardly buy a pair of boots. Considering the reverse procedure that happened around this time last year, ended with Hull paying £8 mill for Snodgrass, £3 mill ( irrespective of the player´s valuation) seems derisory - Snodgrass at the most, was worth £4 mill. It´s all very well McNally wanting to stem the tide, and force a club to accept less than they want, but here I think he´s overdoing it a bit. Brady sounds to me like a perfect fit for Neil and the club, and we could certainly do with another left-sided player, and cover for Olsson. He´s certainly worth £5 mill imo, and possibly more, time for McNally to bite the bullet and return with a £5 mill bid, otherwise I can see one of the other watching clubs pinch him from under our noses or Hull giving him an improved contract.

All clubs would like to buy for as little as they can, and sell for as much as they can, but the first, certainly doesn´t happen that often in today´s climate. We don´t want to be left chasing around for the scraps again, just because we´re determined to play hardball.
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Re: Snodgrass - he was our player of the season and top scorer and top provider and a regular international (OK for Scotland but nevertheless) with plenty of time on his contract when we sold him. Brady contributed 2 assists and zero goals last season so I don't think that we are necessarily comparing like with like. You will always pay a premium for a goal scoring midfielder, particularly one who is pretty dangerous with a dead ball who works his backside off for the team. I really rated Snod so I am biased and probably in a minority on this board but no way should Brady command such a high fee. If we got him would he actually make the first XI or are we looking for someone to offer cover at LB and an option at LM?
 
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Having been a trainer in negotiation skills, McNally is doing very well, as Rob says. The £15m was nonsense and I'd say the same about £10m. If McNally made an initial bid of £2m that would be reasonable given the Transfermarkt asset value of £1.4m (now that Rob has explained how that works). Brady only has one year left on his contract, so there's little to inflate his asset value there. If we did then make bids of £2.5m and £3m that shows that we value the fact that he can play in two positions and at 23 could have potential for the future as well.

Hull are now trying to backtrack their initial position from £7m to £9-10m which is pretty silly in negotiating terms, but suggests what their position would be if they succeed in getting Brady to sign a 3-year contract. If they do manage that, however, we would almost certainly move on to other targets. I'd guess that our next bid will be around £4m, possibly with add-ons for appearances and PL survival. If Hull fail with the new contract, I'd expect them to move to around £6m possibly with add-ons, as they need money to buy players they're interested in. At that point, there's a good chance that our final bid would be around £5m with add-ons to split the difference once Brady has indicated that he doesn't want to sign a new contract.

To move straight to £5-6m now would be an invitation to get well and truly screwed the way Bournemouth have been with Mings.
 
RiverEndRick said:
Having been a trainer in negotiation skills, McNally is doing very well, as Rob says. The £15m was nonsense and I'd say the same about £10m. If McNally made an initial bid of £2m that would be reasonable given the Transfermarkt asset value of £1.4m (now that Rob has explained how that works). Brady only has one year left on his contract, so there's little to inflate his asset value there. If we did then make bids of £2.5m and £3m that shows that we value the fact that he can play in two positions and at 23 could have potential for the future as well.

Hull are now trying to backtrack their initial position from £7m to £9-10m which is pretty silly in negotiating terms, but suggests what their position would be if they succeed in getting Brady to sign a 3-year contract. If they do manage that, however, we would almost certainly move on to other targets. I'd guess that our next bid will be around £4m, possibly with add-ons for appearances and PL survival. If Hull fail with the new contract, I'd expect them to move to around£6m possibly with add-ons, as they need money to buy players they're interested in. At that point, there's a good chance that our final bid would be around £5m with add-ons to split the difference once Brady has indicated that he doesn't want to sign a new contract.

To move straight to £5-6m now would be an invitation to get well and truly screwed the way Bournemouth have been with Mings.
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Transfermarkt valuations ffs. <laugh>
 
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Norfolkbhoy said:
Re: Snodgrass - he was our player of the season and top scorer and top provider and a regular international (OK for Scotland but nevertheless) with plenty of time on his contract when we sold him. Brady contributed 2 assists and zero goals last season so I don't think that we are necessarily comparing like with like. You will always pay a premium for a goal scoring midfielder, particularly one who is pretty dangerous with a dead ball who works his backside off for the team. I really rated Snod so I am biased and probably in a minority on this board but no way should Brady command such a high fee. If we got him would he actually make the first XI or are we looking for someone to offer cover at LB and an option at LM?
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I agree with this and just to back it up, Snodgrass's asset value on Transfermarkt is £4.9m, compared to £1.4m for Brady. OLM may sneer at Transfermarkt, but the football profession does not. Hull probably overpaid by £1-2m for Snodgrass and I'd say we'd be doing similar at £5m with add-ons for Brady.
 
RiverEndRick said:
I agree with this and just to back it up, Snodgrass's asset value on Transfermarkt is £4.9m, compared to £1.4m for Brady. OLM may sneer at Transfermarkt, but the football profession does not. Hull probably overpaid by £1-2m for Snodgrass and I'd say we'd be doing similar at £5m with add-ons for Brady.
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Sterling's value on Transfermarkt is £21m, he'll sign for Man City this week for £45m.

Mings is still listed as £4.1m, despite the fact he's just been signed for double that.

Austin is listed as £6.1m, despite the fact he's about to be sold for £12-15m.

Messi's top valuation is £84m, good luck to anyone who thinks they could sign him for that.

They're a complete nonsense.
 
originallambrettaman said:
Sterling's value on Transfermarkt is £21m, he'll sign for Man City this week for £45m.

Mings is still listed as £4.1m, despite the fact he's just been signed for double that.

Austin is listed as £6.1m, despite the fact he's about to be sold for £12-15m.

Messi's top valuation is £84m, good luck to anyone who thinks they could sign him for that.

They're a complete nonsense.
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Asset values indicate the player's basic value, which is then increased by time left on contract, age and potential and the negotiators' willingness to sell (Hull) and buy (Norwich). It's not unusual for a player to be sold for around twice his asset value where these factors apply and doubling asset value is not a bad way to judge market value of a player where additional factors apply. They don't seem to in Huddlestone's case and it would seem that nobody is much interested in him even at his asset value.
 
I don't really think we can take into account what we received for Snodgrass when valuing Brady. The new TV deal has moved the goalposts and in today's money (only 12 months later), Snodgrass would probably have gone for £10M+ IMO
 
RiverEndRick said:
I agree with this and just to back it up, Snodgrass's asset value on Transfermarkt is £4.9m, compared to £1.4m for Brady. OLM may sneer at Transfermarkt, but the football profession does not. Hull probably overpaid by £1-2m for Snodgrass and I'd say we'd be doing similar at £5m with add-ons for Brady.
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Transfermarkt valuations are mostly bollocks RER and you should pay little attention to them.
 
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