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Oddball? said:
People in Tranmere are like myself they don't have a Scouse accent they have a Merseyside accent.I'm from Edgehill originally and my Scouse accent has changed to a Merseyside accent.Even north and south Liverpool have different accents.
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I'm sorry but there's no such thing as a Merseyside accent. I can't believe you even think that.

St Helens is in Merseyside. Are you telling me they have the same accent as people from Formby? Of course they don't. The range of accents across Merseyside is huge. Even within an area, people born and bred there can have differing accents. One of my sons has a very soft scouse accent, in fact some of his friends from other parts of the country didn't know he was from Liverpool. My other son has a very pronounced scouse accent.

With regard to Birkenhead and Tranmere, my experience is that they have pretty much a scouse accent. I've got 6 cousins born and raised there who have scouse accents. The accent dilutes the further out you go so that you then have the Chester 'Michael Owen accent' which isn't scouse at all but you can tell it's close.
 
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saintanton said:
Michael Owen went to school in Wales, though I don't know whether he was still living in Chester.
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He was born in his local maternity hospital, Countess of Chester but the family lived in Hawarden, North Wales. He's never lived in Chester as far as I know and presumably he went to the local primary school which would have been in Wales, albeit on the very border, (hence the accent, Flint being another example of soft scouse accent).
 
johnsonsbaby said:
He was born in his local maternity hospital, Countess of Chester but the family lived in Hawarden, North Wales. He's never lived in Chester as far as I know and presumably he went to the local primary school which would have been in Wales, albeit on the very border, (hence the accent, Flint being another example of soft scouse accent).
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I'd say Scouse is more influenced by Welsh than vice-versa. Originally people in the Liverpool region would have spoken with a Lancashire accent but the rise of the city's importance as a port saw an influx of Irish, Welsh, foreign sailors (a lot of Scandinavians amongst them - the word scouse derives from a Scandinavian one) etc, and this led to the development of the accent as a combination of those influences.
I'm not hugely familiar with Flintshire, but further down where I live there are accents which quite clearly have influenced the Scouse one.
Sometimes people unfamiliar with say, a Caernarfon accent, will think it sounds Scouse, but it's not - it's their local accent.
There's more of a reciprocal exchange of influences now, with the influx of people from the North West of England, but that's a relatively recent thing, and those Welsh accents that sound Scouse to an untrained ear have existed here for much longer.
 
johnsonsbaby said:
I'm sorry but there's no such thing as a Merseyside accent. I can't believe you even think that.

St Helens is in Merseyside. Are you telling me they have the same accent as people from Formby? Of course they don't. The range of accents across Merseyside is huge. Even within an area, people born and bred there can have differing accents. One of my sons has a very soft scouse accent, in fact some of his friends from other parts of the country didn't know he was from Liverpool. My other son has a very pronounced scouse accent.

With regard to Birkenhead and Tranmere, my experience is that they have pretty much a scouse accent. I've got 6 cousins born and raised there who have scouse accents. The accent dilutes the further out you go so that you then have the Chester 'Michael Owen accent' which isn't scouse at all but you can tell it's close.
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Like Danny Murphy's. I was engaged to a girl from Ellesmere Port for about 7 years. Wherever we went, people thought she was from Chester. Her sister though had a stronger Scouse accent than I have.
 
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It was weird in High School mid-Cheshire. Growing up, only heard Scouse accent on TV or from my Judo instructor... then when our primary school merged with some from a little further North for High School I felt like I was suddenly surrounded by Scouse accents. <laugh> They were probably what you're all calling "soft scouse" because they would all have been wools. To young-me they sounded scouse though! There's definitely (or was definitely) a boundary line somewhere in mid Cheshire where the accent sharply drops off though.
 
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saintanton said:
I'd say Scouse is more influenced by Welsh than vice-versa. Originally people in the Liverpool region would have spoken with a Lancashire accent but the rise of the city's importance as a port saw an influx of Irish, Welsh, foreign sailors (a lot of Scandinavians amongst them - the word scouse derives from a Scandinavian one) etc, and this led to the development of the accent as a combination of those influences.
I'm not hugely familiar with Flintshire, but further down where I live there are accents which quite clearly have influenced the Scouse one.
Sometimes people unfamiliar with say, a Caernarfon accent, will think it sounds Scouse, but it's not - it's their local accent.
There's more of a reciprocal exchange of influences now, with the influx of people from the North West of England, but that's a relatively recent thing, and those Welsh accents that sound Scouse to an untrained ear have existed here for much longer.
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Lot of truth in this.

There's an inevitable crossover of accents with geographical proximity. Then there are anomalies. The Isle of Man too has it's fair share of people with scouse accents despite having no connections to Liverpool. The scouse accent is changing, much like other regional accents, with the younger generation almost putting on a fake accent that sounds a lot harsher than the lilting scouse accent that, as you say, was influenced by Irish and Welsh.
 
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