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Dortmunds recruitment was handled by their director, Michael Zorc.
You’re right - change isn’t always bad. But when so many of the current structure are leaving, all within a short space of time, that’s a worrying sign that things aren’t going well behind the scenes.
Once Edwards left, we all said that this would now be the ultimate test that the system and structure in place is far greater than the individuals. Well, look that whole structure has completely been decimated now.
Which is fsg's fault not klopp's.
Structure should be managed from the most senior level, not making do.
I've said the same many many times about once klopp leaves all bets are off
I've also said we should work him into the ground but he is the one who signs up for longer and longer. The energy goes down naturally.
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Maybe, but maybe it’s better to get rid of all, rather than keep most of them if you’re trying to change things. They may be stuck in their own ways etc.
All hypothetical until hit a couple more windows though
an old man will die. He cannot change his body. Businesses regularly reinvent themselves so that they do not die…..unlike an old man, they can change and rejuvenate. Strategy decay is a big risk in a massively changing world; I don’t care who you are, if you cannot see that the competitive and financial environment is changing then you are blind. To stick to what was once a successful strategy just because it was once successful would be foolish.
we don’t know the facts but the reality is that EVERY business has to operate in today’s volatile world and as such should adjust what they are doing accordingly - so might be part of the plan, might be rats leaving a sinking ship….perhaps a bit of both…..we just can’t know. So I won’t be bothered until I see the outcome…..
Just my view and how I see and react to these things, we’re all different
an old man will die. He cannot change his body. Businesses regularly reinvent themselves so that they do not die…..unlike an old man, they can change and rejuvenate. Strategy decay is a big risk in a massively changing world; I don’t care who you are, if you cannot see that the competitive and financial environment is changing then you are blind. To stick to what was once a successful strategy just because it was once successful would be foolish.
we don’t know the facts but the reality is that EVERY business has to operate in today’s volatile world and as such should adjust what they are doing accordingly - so might be part of the plan, might be rats leaving a sinking ship….perhaps a bit of both…..we just can’t know. So I won’t be bothered until I see the outcome…..
Just my view and how I see and react to these things, we’re all different
You are dead right, and this is why I say fsg making do is at the heart of the issue. Fsg focused on commercial and left ayre and others there due to ignorance of football after getting hlshit of comolli.
Making do is quite odd as Henry would never do it with red sox. It's like as if he got the money side but had no interest in the sport itself.
Making do with Edwards and others was fine by him for some reason. Really, I just think he had no real interest but saw it as the long term cash cow to develop and flip.
Once rodgers failed spectacularly then aryre had to go and they again just promoted Edwards, getting klopp worked and they could go focus on red sox.
Now Edwards has gone and they made do again with ward and just decided to sell.
Mike gordan imo was the only original fsg type that gave a crap and he would flew in from time to time. He is now on the sale so Henry donest have to do anything about it.
Ward is now gone and they have no idea what to do. Etc etc. No succession planning, no strength in depth.
Can say the same for female team. Just go back to same guy they had.before and hope it works.
They did what they were good at but never bought in real football expertise into fsg itself, no partner in the company ro drive the growth.
The sooner fsg are gone imo the better. Cos they will make do us into 10th.
So who would you - realistically - like to see replace them?
I've asked this question more than once on here, and so far no-one has answered.
Once moores and parry sold up the first time the club was gone from any sort of "lfc" control.
G&h to fsg to ?? Who knows.
More investment by red bird capital? They are more yanks and a bunch of slick couldn't give a damn about us types.... but... they MIGHT, just might think we are their prime asset (toulouse and ac Milan so far, no massive usa team I can see)
However after that we don't know the list.
It's a hell no to Dubai ownership and a "burn Fenay to the ground" if the even think about Saudis
There's nobody in the UK.
Nobody in the US major sports owners who'd prioritise us imo.
Our objectives should be
1. compete, not make do.
2. Push properly to get kop redevelopment. Walton breck Road reroute and transport infrastructure required
3. Secure derelict ground round the stadium and build things to improve community. Hotel would provide jobs.
With respect, that still doesn't answer my question - it's just a list of wants and not wants.
The reason I keep bringing this up is I've seen a number of "good riddance to FSG" quotes, and so far not a single viable alternative.
As far as I can see, a club of our stature can only be bought as a rich man's vanity project or a debt-saddled cash cow.
Which is why I've always been happy to settle for FSG - not perfect by any means, but still better than any alternative that I've yet to see anyone come up with.
It's easy to see problems, solutions are a little harder to come by.
If you want success it will be some Arab conglomerate with more money than God.
Mito is looking for some unknown benefactor that happens to be a billionaire, but has a heart of gold and just happens to want the best for everyone. The reason he can't nane them is because they don't exist.
Either we are bought as an asset and milked or bought as a plaything. It is what it is.
It's also why I watch the local team more more than lfc now. I'm completely bored and pissed off with the lot of it.
Then the answer is red bird as their ownership seems to be funded via a series of capital funding events over time and are focused on growth which means they cannot simply make do like fsg. Its the obvious choice at this point.
As I said since moores sold up the clubs been a million miles from the fans ownership/ care or whatever so it is a choice of three things.
A) Make do half arses like fsg who got a distressed asset
B) a bunch of pure business types who are in it to make growth and profit a reality (somehow)
C) a bunch of oil despots on an ego trip
People need to see the reality, fsg don't care really. They went in with a plan that covid probably delayed, that plan was to drive value and growth commercially which was going to be easy given they had a grossly underdeveloped global brand. Whether they intended on super league to deliver them a long term cash cow or to be done before selling I don't know.
If we are sold to another type a it would end in tears as only the stupidest **** could possibly think they can sell on lfc for more than 4bil in another 10years.
Type b is red bird but to grow it and make money we need to understand this means more super league ****, more tv fly on the wall type stuff and a massive ramp up globally ala NFL style franchise milking
Type c is the type of seductive stuff that city, Newcastle and Chelsea fans have lapped up. There's newbie fans to defend Saudi on the murder of journalist etc.
We are a 19 league, 6 cl club. It makes no sense to buy us for an ego trip. None.
So it would be saudi arabia buying football in a job lot and frankly they could decide on a whim to close the lot as well.
The only future we have and the sport has is a red bird type that we can put up with but uefa somehow keep in line.
All of the above go for utd as well. If the are sold off to Saudis that's it for them.. they can build a redeveloped 100k new Trafford, they can sign 400players but they cannot scrub the blood off their hands by getting g utd fans to defend them.
so does that answer your question. Fsg have limited ambitions that don't put us even second never mind first. There's no local possibility at all so it's the hard commercial growth types I'm afraid
I actually said they don't exist and named Red bird in my original answer. See above for expansion on it.
I never said I was looking for the heart of gold. I said since moores sold up that was long gone
Don't like the news today that the two front runners are Saudi royal family (via another of their investment groups) and Qatar.
Which do.we want evil rich human rights abusers... Or evil rich human rights abusers?
Redbird would be similar to FSG,which isn't bad, but they don't have the money.
Which do.we want evil rich human rights abusers... Or evil rich human rights abusers?
Redbird would be similar to FSG,which isn't bad, but they don't have the money.
The only upside to being bought by the Saudis (and it's a tiny upside) is that it would wipe the smirks off Newcastle's "look how rich we are" faces once they realised they were now our feeder club.... 
Still hoping that Indian billionaire comes back... He was the least.objectionable realistic potential bidder.
Still hoping that Indian billionaire comes back... He was the least.objectionable realistic potential bidder.
Unfortunately, if FSG aren’t keeping a controlling stake, we have no say now in ‘who next’ - im convinced that this is all a pretext to the European super league being reborn - That’s the only space for growth left i’m afraid and it’s no secret that the two ‘largest clubs’ in the land are up for sale. In business ‘Growth’ will be the keyword for the next decade…..more so than ever… The current gravy train is nearly empty imo….the saudi’s et al, however, spot an opportunity…..I'm not so sure they’ll back down like Henry and the Glaziers to fan pressure unfortunately.
FSG, by and large, have resided over our resurgence. It is no coincidence that this success came with the arrival of JK and some calm measured business decisions that have just put us ahead of Utd for revenue, huge new sponsorships, brand new stadium etc etc; so like you, I would prefer them to stay at the helm in some capacity but looks like their days are numbered……and the minute we (and Utd) are sold, I suspect it’s the start of the end game for the Premier League or at least the (re) conception of the Euro super league.
So for me, for continuity, I would prefer FSG to keep a controlling share…..but I fear that ship has sailed….
FSG are good owners … all we needed from them was to pump in a bit more of their own money into the club. They pretty much ticked every other box.
that is fair but its clear they have other priorities especially the main man john henry. "good" yes they built the club but imo they always intended to ge tout for big profit so can't wait to see them go now.
theres no real point wishing they didn't have those other priorities.
We need owners who have the priority of building this further and knowing that means competing with the middle east corruption and banitry.
It doesn't have to be Red bird (they are just the most obvious one) but IMo it cannot be middle eastern oil state sportswashing.
As mentioned somewhere above about the indian businessman, no issue there but what's his actual priority? He's into the IPL and has built a major major platform there so how does buying one english football club tie in? is this another second class priority for LFC?
We know for example he's set up a football league in india as well Do you know where we would sit in his priorities?
