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[HugoEkitikeN01]

All goalkeepers are capable of making mistakes, it's the frequency that we are talking about. Some mistakes are preventable.

 

[Skylarker]

And when Oblak makes errors (which he would), what then?

Everyone's human so that's natural. The difference is he doesn't make many and is extremely commanding. He's exactly the type of keeper you need if you want to move to the next level.

 

[BobbyD]

We have a history of stubborn managers.

Still waiting for it to be in a good way lol

Lucas and Carragher were in a good way. Turned into class players for a while.

 

[Skylarker]

So no credit to Karius for our defensive improvements? .....................hmmmm

Yeah he gets some of course, as I said he had improved.

It's been so obvious he's not good enough since he joined. A few months of improvement with a 75mil CB in front of you isn't clouding my judgement though. He's just not good enough - it's that simple.

 

[Zanjinho]

I think Karius was bought as a no.2 keeper otherwise he would have replaced Mignolet almost immediately, he didn't. It was a warning to Mignolet to buck up.

I think Klopp could replicate this strategy if he signed Donnarumma - another young keeper with great potential [as Karius was supposed to be]. Start off with Karius, use the youngster in the cups and gradually ease him in after he's adjusted to the team and the league. I think he's a real prospect.

He did replace Migs straight away but was just as quickly dropped again

 

[Zanjinho]

Anyway the only reason Karius improved was due to VVD bringing some calmness and leadership to the back 4. Before that he was ****, and nowhere near ready for such a big club.

And Robbo coming in.

And Coutinho leaving resulting in us having three workhorses in midfield.

And TAA settling down.

Edit; could also claim Moreno no longer being in the side helped. Maybe Matip too.

 

[saintanton]

So at what point did Karius return and can anyone drag up our defensive record after he did?

With respect, I think you and some others are missing the point here. It's not about stats. Because it's a team game individual performances are not easy to analyse from stats. Watching him, I've never felt confident that he has the quality we need.
But even that isn't the crucial point at the moment: if we go into the season without another, quality keeper, and he hasn't the mental strength to overcome his difficulties, our entire season will be jeopardised. We should be on the up, and we shouldn't be taking such a risk.
By all means retain and rehabilitate him, but putting the burden of our season on him isn't fair to him or anyone.

 

[Skylarker]

And Robbo coming in.

And Coutinho leaving resulting in us having three workhorses in midfield.

And TAA settling down.

Edit; could also claim Moreno no longer being in the side helped. Maybe Matip too.

They're all arguments, yes.

I'm not sure Karius not being good enough is an argument though? It's pretty clear to me. He just looks lost and way out his depth.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

With respect, I think you and some others are missing the point here. It's not about stats. Because it's a team game individual performances are not easy to analyse from stats. Watching him, I've never felt confident that he has the quality we need.
But even that isn't the crucial point at the moment: if we go into the season without another, quality keeper, and he hasn't the mental strength to overcome his difficulties, our entire season will be jeopardised. We should be on the up, and we shouldn't be taking such a risk.
By all means retain and rehabilitate him, but putting the burden of our season on him isn't fair to him or anyone.

nailed it again

You've the same impression as I have.

We can look at a player and sense their reliabilty and talent fairly quickly.

However knowing that lovren and karius are accidents waiting to happen doesn't mean the entire season and teams results will be down to them...

 

[Zanjinho]

They're all arguments, yes.

I'm not sure Karius not being good enough is an argument though? It's pretty clear to me. He just looks lost and way out his depth.

Neither keeper is good enough for Liverpool but nor are they as bad as is made out.

 

[saintanton]

nailed it again

You've the same impression as I have.

We can look at a player and sense their reliabilty and talent fairly quickly.

However knowing that lovren and karius are accidents waiting to happen doesn't mean the entire season and teams results will be down to them...

No, of course not - but some positions are more crucial than others from an individual point of view.
By now, everyone on here knows I want to see entertaining football, but having to score 4 every game to ensure a win is taking its toll even on me.

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

Didn't say you did say it did, did I?

But day do do. don't de, do

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

Suarez and Mascherano have both made statements in recent months about how much they loved Liverpool, which made me suspect they know they're coming to the end of their Barca days and are fishing for a possible return.

Now elgolddigital.com has reported (unedited translation from Spanish by Google):

Luis Suarez has been told from the offices of Barça that if a good offer arrives, he will pack his bags, something that has bothered him now the costume leader and best friend of the Uruguayan, Lionel Messi.

The world knows what the gunman Luis Suarez is capable of. This is demonstrated during most days at LaLiga with FC Barcelona. In addition to being one of the pillars of the Catalan team and being one of the maximum referents of the National Team of Uruguay, the experienced forward continues to be one of the most dangerous pointers in today's football. However, in the leadership of the team blaugrana are doubting a lot about the continuity of Luis Suárez in Barcelona.

The Uruguayan crack is concentrated with his team in the World Cup Russia 2018, but the issue of his departure from Barcelona has made both his best friend and now leader of the wardrobe Leo Messi and his person have been so angry to echo the News.

It is no secret that Suarez has had a spectacular performance in the Barcelona Football Club, being accompanied by the captain of the ship, Leo Messi and his ex-partner Neymar Jr. But, the club's management sees the charrúa as a player who already He spent his time in the Catalan entity and want to try to get a good amount of money so that the player leaves Spain at its best. According to GOL Digital, it has been revealed that the culé directive tried to undertake the signing of the French player Antoine Griezmann, (this being the Barça team's top priority until the same player said he would stay at Atlético de Madrid) not only to repower their squad but because the club so that the positions in the front of the team were reduced and the exit of the South American was placed on the table.

The star Lionel Messi is at a very difficult point, as he is aware that the club's offices are betting on selling his great friend and teammate in the front Luis Suarez. Also, keep in mind that the president of the club, Josep Maria Bartomeu, is waiting for Luis Suárez to have an excellent World Cup with Uruguay so that his media cache goes up and more teams are involved in hiring the striker. Of course, your assessment will also rise to shine in Russia.

On the other hand, Lio Messi is doing everything in his power to keep his teammate in the team for at least one more season, although La Pulga does not look badly at the arrival of other leaders. What is certain is that the heavyweights of the team have expressed to the club that they expect Luis Suárez to stay in Barcelona, but presumably the board has other plans with the player.

Did you write this, dribs?

 

[johnsonsbaby]

He did replace Migs straight away but was just as quickly dropped again

2 months in isn't straight away

What I was trying to say was if Karius had been our new keeper then he would have started the season. Klopp obviously had an idea of what he wanted but started the season with Mignolet thus giving him the chance to keep his starting position. If Karius was a straight replacement he wouldn't have done that.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

@Zanjinho I know this isn't the time or place but just stumbled across this. You know the discussions we've had about whether it's ok to say Notts Forest as opposed to Nottingham. [The whole video is funny but check it from 5.30 to see the bit I'm drawing your attention to]

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[moreinjuredthanowen]

does it really matter if karius was bought to be no 1 or to complete?

the situation is klopp made 2 calls so far to put the guy in.. based on training or based on the game plan klopp wants or whatever.

It's clear that both men have been given chances.

Its clear both men have made bad errors.

Its also clear neither man has thrown masses of points away.

Finally it is quite clear that klopp has said Karius was his no 1 following his reintroduction to the team last time.

So does it really matter now? we are where we are.

 

[saintanton]

2 months in isn't straight away

What I was trying to say was if Karius had been our new keeper then he would have started the season. Klopp obviously had an idea of what he wanted but started the season with Mignolet thus giving him the chance to keep his starting position. If Karius was a straight replacement he wouldn't have done that.

I think you're splitting hairs here, jb.
Klopp obviously intended Karius as his first choice.
And, as we're in splitting hairs mode, you did say almost immediately in the post both Greez and I responded to. He played his first game around the end of September sometime. Not very far into the season.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

No, of course not - but some positions are more crucial than others from an individual point of view.
By now, everyone on here knows I want to see entertaining football, but having to score 4 every game to ensure a win is taking its toll even on me.

I would agree.

I think we concede more goals v top half sides as we leave the door wide open.

the two players are very likely to throw a mistake in but so is vvd frankly. My thing is we just open the door flooding forward and expose them.

Half lovren's problems seem to be panic.
Half of karius problems seem to be concentration

these won't change imo. But you can see less impact by screening them better.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

I think you're splitting hairs here, jb.
Klopp obviously intended Karius as his first choice.
And, as we're in splitting hairs mode, you did say almost immediately in the post both Greez and I responded to. He played his first game around the end of September sometime. Not very far into the season.

I actually went back into my comment before posting to add 'almost' The reason being because I thought someone would pick up on 'immediately' and say that wouldn't happen.

 

[DirtyFrank]

So at what point did Karius return and can anyone drag up our defensive record after he did?

Think Mito did at some point