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BobbyD said:
Case closed then, Sterling and Rooney are the leagues best finishers as he's got the best shots to goals ratios (based on your argument).



we're talking about finishing here page, not whos the most useful/better/team player <ok>
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Not bothered to look. I expect Rooney goals to be mostly pens <laugh> Tbh, he's always been a good finisher.

Sterling is greatly improved in his finishing and since a lot of them are offered up on a plate then it doesn't surprise me one bit - you have to be in the right place to score.
 
BobbyD said:
Saves are most important. The style of football you play is also important for a goalies distribution. You only have to see what Ederson has done this year (not against your boys though, he's allowed a game off) to see how much he has changed City this year. I think he's been their most important signing this year (kyle walker next but a bit of a way down). The way he sweeps us is phenomenal (he did a few yesterday to be fair from some good balls)
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I half agree. He has made some good kicks out (one of which was probably the best pass I've seen all season - from any player) but mostly City try to play out from the back.
All of which would be irrelevant if he can't make saves.
 
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BobbyD said:
i think you will finish above us as i think Conte will scrape CL but go all out of the trophies, especially since he's got a chip on his shoulder about the CL and has been resting players in the league whenever theres been a CL game. Likewise, i don't think he's too fussed about the league now that he can't win it (not that he did before, he played a first team in a CL qualification game when we had City a few days later) and from the sounds of things, i don't even think he cares too much about next season as he's probably going to be moving on.
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So you don't want to bet then?
 
Jimmy Squarefoot said:
Salahs conversion is amongst the best in Europe - people are focusing on the sitters he has missed. Whilst he should have scored them, if he had, then his conversion rate would be at record highs.
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I think those first few games when he did miss quite a few chances (but still scored) have stuck in his memory bank, while the last 25 games where he's been pretty prolific have been quickly forgotten! A shrink would say that he's [HASHTAG]#indenial[/HASHTAG]
 
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Jimmy Squarefoot said:
I’m sorry Saint but my statement wasn’t saying that Karius was miles better than Migs.

Just stating that there is little between them two in terms of saving shots. I’m guessing that Klopp is now giving Karius a full run of games now that VVD has signed.

But I think there is another debate to be had. We’ve been talking about the poor keepers since Xavi Valero left the club. His replacement, John Achterberg has been at the club and been responsible for coaching the following keepers -

Reina
Jones
Gulasci
Migs
Karius
Ward

With the exception of Gulasci and Ward (since they have hardly played), all have regressed. And all of the keepers who have left, have since improved.

Those who have watched Karius at Mainz will know that he was an excellent shot stopper -and quick off his line. Now, he doesn’t have that spring.

I think there is a fundamental issue and it lies with John Achterberg.
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I'd agree that the coaching isn't up to scratch. I think this is obvious with Mig. He has good reflexes and is a good shot-stopper, the areas where he is poor are the ones where you would expect a good coach to be able to improve him.
He has improved, but not enough.
 
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BobbyD said:
i think you'll find most people refer to being clinical and finishing with how well people finish off their key chances. I very much doubt people have extrapolated to how many shots to goals they take.

So you're telling me you think sterling and rooney are the best strikers in the game?

If you are talking about the media world, then they have their darlings and wet their pants at whoever is scoring a bundle irrespective to how many they miss.

Not sure where there has been any wriggling :emoticon-0105-wink:
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You're just making this up as you go along.
Don't work for the FA do you?
 
saintKlopp said:
You're just making this up as you go along.
Don't work for the FA do you?
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nah, i work for fifa. If you donate 20 quid to guide dogs i will endorse your view whole heartedly and champion your version of clinical

Seriously though, i'm pretty that's how people defined finishing ability.

May have to start a topic on it
 
saintKlopp said:
I'd agree that the coaching isn't up to scratch. I think this is obvious with Mig. He has good reflexes and is a good shot-stopper, the areas where he is poor are the ones where you would expect a good coach to be able to improve him.
He has improved, but not enough.
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I think Lamborini is right - currently, neither goalie is good enough.

But the difference is Migs has had plenty of opportunities and time to establish himself whereas Karius has been in and out of the team as well as having the media scrutinise his every move (I don’t care what anyone says but Neville is leading the agenda with his constant remakes and commentary).

Give Karius until the end of the season to see if he improves. He at least has the potential to improve whereas Migs doesn’t. Let’s find out once and for all. Then reassess at the end of the season.

Karius May not the be the long term solution but Migs is DEFINITELY not.

But we should definitely get rid of Achterberg. Waste of space
 
BobbyD said:
nah, i work for fifa. If you donate 20 quid to guide dogs i will endorse your view whole heartedly and champion your version of clinical

Seriously though, i'm pretty that's how people defined finishing ability.

May have to start a topic on it
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Not just my definition- try the Oxford dictionary:
  • clinical
    adjective
    • 1Relating to the observation and treatment of actual patients rather than theoretical or laboratory studies.

      ‘clinical medicine’
      ‘clinical drug trials’
    1. 1.1 (of a disease or condition) causing observable and recognizable symptoms.
      ‘clinical depression’

  • 2Very efficient and without feeling; coldly detached.

    ‘nothing was left to chance—everything was clinical’
No mention of sitters at all.
 
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Jimmy Squarefoot said:
I think Lamborini is right - currently, neither goalie is good enough.

But the difference is Migs has had plenty of opportunities and time to establish himself whereas Karius has been in and out of the team as well as having the media scrutinise his every move (I don’t care what anyone says but Neville is leading the agenda with his constant remakes and commentary).

Give Karius until the end of the season to see if he improves. He at least has the potential to improve whereas Migs doesn’t. Let’s find out once and for all. Then reassess at the end of the season.

Karius May not the be the long term solution but Migs is DEFINITELY not.

But we should definitely get rid of Achterberg. Waste of space
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The problem for me is that even if Karius has the potential to be better than Mig, he isn't currently. By all means look to the future, but we can't afford to risk spoiling this season while he learns his craft.
 
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saintKlopp said:
Not just my definition- try the Oxford dictionary:
  • clinical
    adjective
    • 1Relating to the observation and treatment of actual patients rather than theoretical or laboratory studies.

      ‘clinical medicine’
      ‘clinical drug trials’
    1. 1.1 (of a disease or condition) causing observable and recognizable symptoms.
      ‘clinical depression’

  • 2Very efficient and without feeling; coldly detached.

    ‘nothing was left to chance—everything was clinical’
No mention of sitters at all.
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<ok>. Not sure that is applied to football but i can't argue against that.

So what word do i use for someone who is great at converting their decent chances? finishing ability or is their not a word for that?
 
saintKlopp said:
The problem for me is that even if Karius has the potential to be better than Mig, he isn't currently. By all means look to the future, but we can't afford to risk spoiling this season while he learns his craft.
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But we’re risking the season by persisting with Migs as well. He makes just as many mistakes.

My point is is that we’re in a lose lose so we may as well go with the option with potentially more reward.
 
Jimmy Squarefoot said:
But we’re risking the season by persisting with Migs as well. He makes just as many mistakes.

My point is is that we’re in a lose lose so we may as well go with the option with potentially more reward.
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KENNY_KLOPP_KING said:
It's splitting hairs imo. Your logic makes sense
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I agree but just hope we go and get a good keeper in the Summer.
 
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BobbyD said:
read what me and Saint have gone through in the above.

To summarise, Harry Kane i said takes loads of long shots as he's a greedy bastard and wanted the goals scored stat.

So whilst he's shooting from 20 yards + salah has been missing more sitters (which i'm using as "finishing ability").

As saint says, it's subjective but the official FPL stats (me and saint having gone through each of their chances) show that salah has missed 15 sitters and kane 9 (something like that).

So Kane has taken more "shots" (presumably headers are in these and 30 yard strikes), Salah has missed more easier chances in my book (although i can't quantify what these easy chances are which is saints argument)

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You realise Salah scored from 45 yards yesterday :bandit:

On serious note, Salah has plenty of shots from outside the box. Could prob find a split on how many he’s had somewhere I’d yoj wanted to check out him and Kane’s comparison.
 
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