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KENNY_KLOPP_KING said:
How long is the current TV deal? That's how long, as a minimum, that the gravy train will last unless Sky go bust. Fact is, the deal is driven by demand and as long as the Premier league has the demand...or increasing demand, this will not stop. Even through the worst global recession in our lifetimes (so far), the TV money increased. I see no (immediate) end to it. Only when the likes of all on here begin to think that football has been ruined by the money, will demand fall....
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It's got 2 seasons to run mate.

I think the next domestic one could well be either less or very similar to the current one tbh. The audience levels have been dropping and therefore Sky and BT's margins are under pressure. However, it's not going to suddenly dip to say 50% of it's current value.

To counter that I still think that there's plenty of growth to be had in the overseas market, as it's the most popular league on the planet and the current amount earned from overseas rights is arguably way too low.
 
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Tobes said:
It's got 2 seasons to run mate.

I think the next domestic one could well be either less or very similar to the current one tbh. The audience levels have been dropping and therefore Sky and BT's margins are under pressure. However, it's not going to suddenly dip to say 50% of it's current value.

To counter that I still think that there's plenty of growth to be had in the overseas market, as it's the most popular league on the planet and the current amount earned from overseas rights is arguably way too low.
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So streaming is the way forward :bandit:
 
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donga darko said:
Can't see why the clubs can't just do it themselves, worldwide.
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Because it'd end up like Spain. Where the 2 top clubs earn a colossal amount in TV revenue compared to the rest of the league and it's therefore become uncompetitive, thus the product is less sought after, and the overall revenues less.

The 'each man for himself' TV deals will never happen in the UK due to the PL voting structure. It'd need the top clubs to leave the PL for it to happen.
 
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Tobes said:
It's got 2 seasons to run mate.

I think the next domestic one could well be either less or very similar to the current one tbh. The audience levels have been dropping and therefore Sky and BT's margins are under pressure. However, it's not going to suddenly dip to say 50% of it's current value.

To counter that I still think that there's plenty of growth to be had in the overseas market, as it's the most popular league on the planet and the current amount earned from overseas rights is arguably way too low.
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Its very difficult to tell but there are still linkages.

I think the reality is

a) wages are inflating rapidly. This is an impact If wages are 80% of turnover on many clubs......

b) clubs are spending fees madly. this is far beyond the amount of money the tv deal represents... this money is dependant on sales as well as tv deals in most cases

If a club has an issue it will have up to a 5 year wage bill without the revenue to pay it. Like leeds....

IMO its some clubs acting irresponsibly that are dragging the rest down... just like some banks in 2008.

You are right about foreign growth... but... its a competitve market and spain and italy are serious competitors too. Where is the maturity in this market? has england acheived the total gorwth or will it gorth further.

my concern is wages as % of turnover and fees. they are both unsustainable
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
Its very difficult to tell but there are still linkages.

I think the reality is

a) wages are inflating rapidly. This is an impact If wages are 80% of turnover on many clubs......

b) clubs are spending fees madly. this is far beyond the amount of money the tv deal represents... this money is dependant on sales as well as tv deals in most cases

If a club has an issue it will have up to a 5 year wage bill without the revenue to pay it. Like leeds....

IMO its some clubs acting irresponsibly that are dragging the rest down... just like some banks in 2008.

You are right about foreign growth... but... its a competitve market and spain and italy are serious competitors too. Where is the maturity in this market? has england acheived the total gorwth or will it gorth further.

my concern is wages as % of turnover and fees. they are both unsustainable
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You don't understand the rules mate and how fees are accounted for mate. Short term cost control - STCC - came into the PL last season, when the new TV deal came into force.

Under these regulations PL clubs can only increase their wage bill by £7m per season (with the bar being set for that at a minimum of £67m i.e. if you're a promoted club who's wage bill is way below that level you can increase to £67m without sanction in season 1 should you wish to)

You can increase your wage bill by more than the £7m, but have to prove that any additional increase has been funded by either increased gate receipts, commercial activity or profits from player trading i.e. not from the incremental TV cash.

As for player trading, who's currently running with a colossal net spend outside of the oil clubs and United, who's revenue streams allows them to spend at that level sustainably???
 
Tobes said:
You don't understand the rules mate and how fees are accounted for mate. Short term cost control - STCC - came into the PL last season, when the new TV deal came into force.

Under these regulations PL clubs can only increase their wage bill by £7m per season (with the bar being set for that at a minimum of £67m i.e. if you're a promoted club who's wage bill is way below that level you can increase to £67m without sanction in season 1 should you wish to)

You can increase your wage bill by more than the £7m, but have to prove that any additional increase has been funded by either increased gate receipts, commercial activity or profits from player trading i.e. not from the incremental TV cash.

As for player trading, who's currently running with a colossal net spend outside of the oil clubs and United, who's revenue streams allows them to spend at that level sustainably???
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I give up! Who?
 
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Tobes said:
It's got 2 seasons to run mate.

I think the next domestic one could well be either less or very similar to the current one tbh. The audience levels have been dropping and therefore Sky and BT's margins are under pressure. However, it's not going to suddenly dip to say 50% of it's current value.

To counter that I still think that there's plenty of growth to be had in the overseas market, as it's the most popular league on the planet and the current amount earned from overseas rights is arguably way too low.
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The general feeling was that BT overpaid both for the PL & Euro rights & will struggle to justify the expenditure in relation to new subscribers. They also face accusations that openreach were used as a cash cow to help fund the deal which has been a factor in the change in the Openreach status to a seperate legal entity.
Like you i think the domestic rights market has peaked , but i've thought that after almost all the deals , & the growth my come from foriegn markets.
 
jenners04 said:
I have a horrible feeling, that after all this bullshit is finished with and they do end up selling, it will not be to us lol.
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tbf at the moment there is no one else interested. Only other club even linked with him are Bayern and they've made it clear they wont pay more than the reported release clause and that it would be next summer anyway.

I'd actually like us to look at Renato Sanches, half the price and younger.
 
BARCA CONFIDENCE GROWING

Barcelona are increasingly confident they'll be able to sign Philippe Coutinho from Liverpool - especially if Neymar leaves.

They believe Liverpool would find it difficult to turn down an offer in the region of €100m.

They also believe that although Coutinho loves Liverpool, a Brazilian player would find it difficult to turn down Barcelona.

Liverpool's position has not changed - he is not for sale and he is staying. The Reds are under no pressure to sell, especially because Coutinho signed a new five-year contract in January.
 
Tobes said:
You don't understand the rules mate and how fees are accounted for mate. Short term cost control - STCC - came into the PL last season, when the new TV deal came into force.

Under these regulations PL clubs can only increase their wage bill by £7m per season (with the bar being set for that at a minimum of £67m i.e. if you're a promoted club who's wage bill is way below that level you can increase to £67m without sanction in season 1 should you wish to)

You can increase your wage bill by more than the £7m, but have to prove that any additional increase has been funded by either increased gate receipts, commercial activity or profits from player trading i.e. not from the incremental TV cash.

As for player trading, who's currently running with a colossal net spend outside of the oil clubs and United, who's revenue streams allows them to spend at that level sustainably???
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Cmon tobes. These are businesses. What you are talking about is all well and good but you cannot get away from the simple terms of liquidity and solvency.

If wages are 80% of turnover and the **** hits the fan its not long til you become insolvent.

Again.. leeds.

Model was get cl, use cl money to
pay bills.

This prem is not the same as everyone gets the money and the big fan base gets more matches on tv.

However.... what can occur to drop revenue by 20%...

1. Finish lower in table.
2. Not qualify for europe.
3. Deal for tv drops by a %.. whatever that is.

The point is again the market is unsustainable. Nobody can do this year on year....

Look at ac milan. They basically ran out of money.

Look at chelsea under bates... ran out of money.


Look at everton. Bill got told by banks no more loans. You had to manage it.

Look at liverpool.. fake money with nothing to back it. Cl mony staving off issues abd a finacial crisis creamed them

My point is a bubble bursts and when it does the well run clubs get shafted with the badly run.

Same issue.... brexit.. oh.. why harm will that do? We dont know.

I understand and accept all you points and will tell you only one thing. Clubs are ignoring them and making **** up AND the wages to turnover us already documented widely as being too high already.
 
RogerisontheHunt said:
tbf at the moment there is no one else interested. Only other club even linked with him are Bayern and they've made it clear they wont pay more than the reported release clause and that it would be next summer anyway.

I'd actually like us to look at Renato Sanches, half the price and younger.
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I agree, he's looks a good player and may well be available.
 
It's inevitable that Coutinho is going, either this window or the next.

Who will be replace him with though is what I'm wondering
 
Solid_Air 2 said:
The general feeling was that BT overpaid both for the PL & Euro rights & will struggle to justify the expenditure in relation to new subscribers. They also face accusations that openreach were used as a cash cow to help fund the deal which has been a factor in the change in the Openreach status to a seperate legal entity.
Like you i think the domestic rights market has peaked , but i've thought that after almost all the deals , & the growth my come from foriegn markets.
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I agree uefa only half regret the deal as they love the money. They stated they saw people alienated by cutting local access. They will not fix it though.


I would ponder foreign growth... spain and italy are also seeing chinese clubs buying clubs. Its a market that could be saturated... is it.. i dont know
 
Enricky. said:
LIVERPOOL CONFIDENCE GROWING

Liverpool are increasingly confident they'll be able to sign Virgil Van Dijk from Southampton - especially if Shane Long leaves leaves.

They believe Southampton would find it difficult to turn down an offer in the region of £70M.

They also believe that although Van Dijk loves Pizza, a Dutch player would find it difficult to turn down Liverpool.

Southamptons position has not changed - he is not for sale and he is staying. The Red and Whites are under no pressure to sell, especially because Van Dijk signed a new Six-year contract in January-ish.
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Fixed.

@The Liebherr Legacy
 
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