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KENNY_KLOPP_KING said:
There'll be quite a few who


I think Tobes has a point though.....who was the last lad that we developed that we sold on or even released that's gone on to bigger and better things? Sterling moved on for big money and may well do so but that aside, I cannot think of anyone else.......
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Hmmmm depends on what you call bigger and better.

Tobes points quote 3/4 players. One of whom is a barca lad. Galloway, stones and barely stand head and shoulders now as the examples.

Byram is a buy today.. Can't be a development example.

Who have everton sold on in last 5 that's been immense?

I can quote two that have done nowt.

The reality for lfc is that we have brought kids in from all over but we've not moved them great. Our 19 year record on rafa young cbs is half decent but in the main we've seen lower league at best for Darby spearing Coady and a few evening Scotland.

Ward is one very rare example we poached and has done ok.. no results there yet.

Wisdom is at least prem rb.

Kelly is squad plater in prem

Teixeira was poached and needs to move after back injury.

Suso.... another poached who got big ideas.

ibe was poached in

There's a long list of guys who've got a chance...

Does Rodwell count for everton... perhaps everton have got the best out of their deals cos they did less and then worked harder on them as Klopp espouses.... interesting thought... or just bull...
 
Tobes said:
Liverpool have sacked managers who were provided with CL budgets and then failed to deliver
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Martinez took a team that had finished 5th and 6th, spent £80m+ and is now 11th and (so far) 11th

It's fine so long as you admit the idea of CL was a lie
 
Tobes said:
Ibe and Sterling were bought years ago though, Can was a full international and was obviously bought for the first team, not as a prospect.

Gomez is the only one of current relevance on that list
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Ibe and sterling were as 15 year olds... Stones was years ago too by that logic.

Agree on can

As an of today lfc youth supply

Ward bought
Wisdom bought years ago
Sinclair bought and will leave
Brannigan.
Rossiter
Kent
Ojo bought
Randall
Smith bought in late
Maguire
Stewart bought
Williams
Cleary
Chirivella bought
Allan bought
Canos bought

Other are too old like teix. All those have a first team game or preseason game of some sort.

There's 20 others both you and I could say at underage.

My point is there's a huge amount of supplanting going on. I prob have not even got all the buys marked right.
 
Tobes said:
Our academy success is only part of it mate.

Young prospects in this country know that they'll be given a chance to break through into the first team at Everton. So the likes of Stones, Galloway, Deulofeu and now Byram are putting us ahead of other clubs in their decision making.

If you were a 19 year old hot property based on recent years would you choose Liverpool if you had other options? I doubt they'd be top of the pile....
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I didn't put that because it had already been mentioned <ok> Unfortunately no mate as a youth prospect with no particular affiliation now wouldn't, in fact we'd be way down the list (obviously I would have personally like but I think my chance of that passed a few years ago <laugh>).

I'd say Saints, Arse, Everton etc are way ahead of us. When you speak to these kids families it's not just about opportunities alone, it's as much about the ethos and values added to the end results. I just don't buy the "pay them £5k more and they'll go to Citeh" argument either. It will no doubt apply for some but actually most parents have a wider, more rounded view of their kids future.
 
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The artist JerryChristmas said:
I didn't put that because it had already been mentioned <ok> Unfortunately no mate as a youth prospect with no particular affiliation now wouldn't, in fact we'd be way down the list (obviously I would have personally like but I think my chance of that passed a few years ago <laugh>).

I'd say Saints, Arse, Everton etc are way ahead of us. When you speak to these kids families it's not just about opportunities alone, it's as much about the ethos and values added to the end results. I just don't buy the "pay them £5k more and they'll go to Citeh" argument either. It will no doubt apply for some but actually most parents have a wider, more rounded view of their kids future.
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Well you are talking about what age as i asked about that lad who's family moved to everton. great on them but thats way before money comes in.

Some offer private schools now that don't end if the player is dumped. that on its own is worth its weight in gold.

The end result irrespective of football should be the child gets a proper education.

however when I say 5 k more i am seriously taking 16 onwards, when 17 hits... you can't tell me if a club offers you say 500 a week and another 5.5k a week you will choose the 500... (exaggerating)
 
astroturfnaut said:
Aside from us sacking our manager for not achieving CL football, whereas Martinez is one of the safest in the league
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So you'd send your child to play at a club with less stability who really treat their youth as cattle....or one where there appears to be at least a semblance of stability and a bloody good reputation for respecting not just the kids but their families too? I take no pleasure in saying it but that IS how the two clubs are viewed in their own city. I find it hard to imagine that reputation differs anywhere else do you?
 
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moreinjuredthanowen said:
Well you are talking about what age as i asked about that lad who's family moved to everton. great on them but thats way before money comes in.

Some offer private schools now that don't end if the player is dumped. that on its own is worth its weight in gold.

The end result irrespective of football should be the child gets a proper education.

however when I say 5 k more i am seriously taking 16 onwards, when 17 hits... you can't tell me if a club offers you say 500 a week and another 5.5k a week you will choose the 500... (exaggerating)
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He's 14 and his dad reckoned they had two more lucrative offers (how true it is who knows but it certainly cements what I already suspected). Of course once they are older and they have had agents whispering in their ear for a few years things change. The point is that right now Everton have worked bloody hard to build a good reputation at youth level whereas we've spent years alienating the locals in favour of random Hungarians etc.
 
The artist JerryChristmas said:
So you'd send your child to play at a club with less stability who really treat their youth as cattle....or one where their appears to be at least a semblance of stability and a bloody good reputation for respecting not just the kids but their families too? I take no pleasure in saying it but that IS how the two clubs are viewed in their own city. I find it hard to imagine that reputation differs anywhere else do you?
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Nothing to do with the comment you quoted

I am in full agreement that Everton is better for allowing non-elite young players to develop with more opportunities and fewer expectations

But when you speak about the potential of young players in our team, you mean what they can do for us in a season or two. When you speak about potential for Everton players you mean what they can achieve at their next club.
 
The artist JerryChristmas said:
So you'd send your child to play at a club with less stability who really treat their youth as cattle....or one where their appears to be at least a semblance of stability and a bloody good reputation for respecting not just the kids but their families too? I take no pleasure in saying it but that IS how the two clubs are viewed in their own city. I find it hard to imagine that reputation differs anywhere else do you?
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It prob is. My view is theres a flood of young lads in at anfield and that must put off families

This comes form my list of tracking change at LFC done during summer

Bobby Adekanye: 16 year old at PSV, was at barca at 12 and one of 9 that caused the embargo. Is a free confirmed 2nd july
Brooks Lennon - salt lake city, 17 year old striker. announced 3rd july
Elijah Dixon-Bonner- Arsenal, 16 year old midfielder announced 6th July
Allan rodrigues de sousa 500k from sc internacional - announced 1st August finalised 2nd september
Taiwo Awoniyi,- announced 31st August

So we basically surplanted these players into our academy.

we then did this:
Ward (season long loan to Aberdeen announced 26th june)
Jordan Williams - Swindon on season-long loan.
Lloyd Jones to Blackpool on loan - announced 10th July
Ojo to wolves on loan - announced 5th august
Lawrence Vigouroux to Swindon Town on a season-long loan - announced 4th august
Harry Wilson to crew - loan unitl january - announced 26th August
Joe Maguire to Leyton Orient - 1 month initial loan - announced 28th august
Ryan McLaughlin to Aberdeen - loan to January. Announced 29th august
Taiwo Awoniyi, loan to FSV Frankfurt. Announced 31st August. (new club link here??)
Yesil to FC Luzern -season long loan announced 31st Augusy
Allan has immediately joined Finnish side Seinajoen Jalkapallokerho on loan until Januaeye after signing for lfc announced 2nd September.

So 2 guys had not even a work permit but came in and went out again... message? club values them over me to the kids that see them.

Basically its ok for a club to get a couple of guys after the age of 17 like everton have but are everton dropping guys in at 15, 16 as well?
 
astroturfnaut said:
Nothing to do with the comment you quoted

I am in full agreement that Everton is better for allowing non-elite young players to develop with more opportunities and fewer expectations

But when you speak about the potential of young players in our team, you mean what they can do for us in a season or two. When you speak about potential for Everton players you mean what they can achieve at their next club.
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What like Sterling you mean?

Care to name any Everton youngsters who've deserted the club in recent years for the bigger, better deal???
 
astroturfnaut said:
Nothing to do with the comment you quoted

I am in full agreement that Everton is better for allowing non-elite young players to develop with more opportunities and fewer expectations

But when you speak about the potential of young players in our team, you mean what they can do for us in a season or two. When you speak about potential for Everton players you mean what they can achieve at their next club.
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Like Sterling you mean?
 
Tobes said:
What like Sterling you mean?

Care to name any Everton youngsters who've deserted the club in recent years for the bigger, better deal???
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Name an Everton player who's received praise and not immediately linked with a move away? Stones, Barkley, Lukaku, all their hype is entirely in the context of who they could play for.
 
astroturfnaut said:
Name an Everton player who's received praise and not immediately linked with a move away? Stones, Barkley, Lukaku, all their hype is entirely in the context of who they could play for.
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Every club in the game is part of the food chain, unless you're Barca at the summit every clubs outstanding players are linked with clubs further up the pecking order.

Yours is no exception, and you've lost more than we have in recent years, as we've made a better fist of keeping our best players. Coleman, Baines, Barkley and Stones to name but 4. We've turned down offers flat, for all of them.
 
We all love youth players .. Until they fail to play at a world class level when they break into the first team.

Players like Origi, Markovic, Ilori, Insua were all written off when they failed to set the world alight.

LFC may not give youth a chance but neither do fans.
 
Tobes said:
Every club in the game is part of the food chain, unless you're Barca at the summit every clubs outstanding players are linked with clubs further up the pecking order.

Yours is no exception, and you've lost more than we have in recent years, as we've made a better fist of keeping our best players. Coleman, Baines, Barkley and Stones to name but 4. We've turned down offers flat, for all of them.
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Yes and we are higher in the food chain

Yes Sterling left, to go to a team that hasn't finished outside the top 2 for 4 seasons and to become one of the highest paid players in the world
 
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