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Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Bozz, Jun 17, 2011.

  1. LuisDiazgamechanger

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    Liverpool are holding talk with the agent of Palhinha for a move in January window, if the price is right he maybe coming to Liverpool.
     
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  2. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Are we being used to remind Bayern to come back in?
     
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  3. LuisDiazgamechanger

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    According to Mauricio Pochettino Chelsea must go to the market in January. Chelsea have spent £600 millions across the last two transfer windows already.
     
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  4. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    it's over a billion in 3.

    let it burn.

    Where's the ffp punishment.
     
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    I don't know how well they are keeping within FFP limits but don't forget, unlike another club in trouble, they sold £270m worth of players as well.
     
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  6. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    they were bailed out by mad men at utd and arsenal yes.

    they spend a billion but put it over 8 years and then claims the full transfer fees in sales back in the year so it looks like a profit in one year whereas in actual fact its a haemorrhage of money.

    in effect as you add the windows of massive spend up for the next 5 years it's like a balloon of ffp issues inflating each year as more and more gets pumped in.

    they will likely have to sell another 200odd million before July 1 to break even for ffp.

    none of this is real accounting. it's a mechanism to get round a specific rule.

    they are hemorrhaging fees left right and centre cos the players are not appreciating in value and some will be largely worthless in 2 years.
     
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  7. Zanjinho

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    Because it's not in 2-3 windows, it's spread over right years, obviously....:1980_boogie_down:

    <doh> @ the ludicrousness of it
     
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  8. johnsonsbaby

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    I'm in full agreement with your take on Chelsea's finances. They have 'owned up' to financial mismanagement by the previous owners so some punishment is coming their way.

    The big difference with them and Everton is that they at least have substantial assets to sell to try and balance the books. With Everton it's all spend, spend, spend with nothing, or very little, coming from sales. When Chelsea make an expensive mistake, they can recoup their money and go back in the market again. When Everton make an expensive mistake, they are stuck with it as they aren't buying in the same market and have difficulty moving players on. They even told the Commission that their financial forecasts were based on the sale of 'player X' who they ended up not selling. Guesses as to which player they were referencing abounded but no matter who it is (or was), Everton haven't appeared to be looking to sell on any of their players so it looks like an excuse to try and explain their financial difficulties rather than a reality.
     
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  9. InBiscanWeTrust

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    Think was tosun who they signed from turkey and say would have sold back to turkey after he flopped for x amount but Turkish window essentially closed due to covid.
     
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  10. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Everton had very little to sell but did sell Gordon and Richardson etc. the money to James and anchelotti and the like dried up and rafa was left managing on frees and still getting their toxic abuse.

    now they have a right thug in charge and nodoubt will be in 7th heaven

    honestly nobody would touch Calvert lewein due to his record and half the players and going on frees so it's pickford and onana and Braithwaite.

    they've actually bought in players like Harrison and got some frees so they have about 40mil profit this season on transfers and about 20 last season and broke even the year before.

    this is a classic else of living far beyond their means in the prior years and especially on wages etc.

    their losses are not really down to transfers.

    yes they could sell another couple to have avoided the penalty but their contention was coivd prevented them from doing something to Turkey to seal under the serious breach level. that was not taken as a good excuse.

    imo ffp is designed to not only stop rampant transfers but also rampant wages over the revenue available to pay.

    Everton simply could not afford the excesses and the only issue here is the authorities took a season at minimum too long to apply the punishments.

    Everton will survive purely down to when they got their penalty applied and that is grounds for whoever was 28th last year to sue to premier league itself not everton
     
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  11. johnsonsbaby

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    You could be right but I'm not sure he's the high value player they were referring to. He was a flop for them and loaned out twice before Besiktas, with whom he was on loan, made his move permanent on a free transfer. More likely to be Pickford or Calvin-Lewis.
     
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  12. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Yeah but look at thier next income on transfers for the past 3 seasons!

    If you can find me a club who needs a short armed keeper who can't play with his feet or a permenantly crocked striker then I'll take the point ;)

    Everton ran those losses up AFTER bad spending (amortisation and sacking managers etc) they even made profits in the past 3 years but couldn't offset the other parts of the business.

    Remember they were in SERIOUS breach, not just breach so this si not a 25mil minor issue. this is a massive over spend and they got done for it.

    We all await Chelsea and city getting some punishment.
     
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    He's England's number one dontcha know. Seriously, how much would you expect him to go for - £40- 50m?
     
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  14. johnsonsbaby

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    Yikes - transfermarkt has him at £20m.
     
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    I'd pay nothing for an angry little no mark with short arms and piss poor ball skills.
     
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  16. InBiscanWeTrust

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    Personally don’t rate him. Far too erratic. Maybe harsh to compare as honestly think he’s the best keeper in the world, but Ali is so calm and composed. Never see him flustered. Only time see him angry is when defence haven’t done their job. Must gives those infront of him so much more confidence.
     
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  17. johnsonsbaby

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    I agree. I think there's a premium added on for England players though which would maybe increase his real 'price' by half again?

    Not sure what utd's plans are for Onana but I could see them going for Pickford.
     
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    I forgot this he was heading for out of contract but signed a new deal. if they were to sell him.he wouldn't have signed a new deal if he thought he could get a good move.
     
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    And all that's without any investigation into some of their sponsorship deals with Usimov. £80m for a private holding company to sponsor their training ground? £30m just for the option on the namen rights to the new stadium? The idea that Everton were unlucky is stretching it a bit.
     
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  20. InBiscanWeTrust

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    The fact they banked on finishing 6th and prize money that comes with it surely just ruins any credibility in anything else they publish tbh.
     
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