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Odd that they only paid you £65m - in 5 instalments.....

Oh do keep up Tobes; are you just reading selected posts in this thread? The £10m barter down after the biting has been discussed a trillion times on here as a reason why we owe Barca a ****ing, one way or another. Not only did they get £10m knocked off but they also made us pay the agents' fees; they agreed to say they'd paid £75m then promptly crowed to the Catalan press about how much they'd actually paid, then promptly issued a statement about how much they respect us.

You can understand then why most of us on here trust FSG as far as you could throw Rooney.
 
The Spanish media belong to Real and Barca, the clubs deliberately leak stories and have rumours planted in the Spanish press so they don't get accused of tapping up. They can turn around and say it was all the Presses fault for unsettling player X.

And Sky and the Daily Mail too.
 
Oh do keep up Tobes; are you just reading selected posts in this thread? The £10m barter down after the biting has been discussed a trillion times on here as a reason why we owe Barca a ****ing, one way or another. Not only did they get £10m knocked off but they also made us pay the agents' fees; they agreed to say they'd paid £75m then promptly crowed to the Catalan press about how much they'd actually paid, then promptly issued a statement about how much they respect us.

You can understand then why most of us on here trust FSG as far as you could throw Rooney.
I don't get why they'd get a discount if they simply triggered a release clause though? :huh:
 
I've said since before the Ford saga, we ALL have to get used to a new reality where clubs just don't have to sell, no matter how much agents' may lose on it. I can see Soton quite simply saying they're just not selling to us again - and for the same reason I can see us saying to Barca 'Not unless it suits us. The big adjustment will be for agents, who believe, based on experience, that they control the player, therefore they have the whip hand. They're the ones who are going to struggle in the future.

dead right.

LFC since 2010 have been whipping boys. ran into the ground and recovering.

Everton fans should know what its like when the banks told old bill no more btw.

As of the past 2 years theres money flowing about like water in the prem. LFC are no different to anyone else. We have shedloads of cash. you can tell if you simply look at the wages we've paid after a period where FSG seems determined to sell anyone on more than 50k a week.

I think you are right about that new reality. I think agents will be looking at this and trying their damnest to follow the aidy ward model of never sign a new deal. Get as short a contract as possible and move. And clubs will be assembling sides out of frees and short terms deals a lot more.

IMO agents won't need to adjust to a new power model I think they will adjust to milk the system all the more. Any player who does what van dijk did at southampton (to sign a 6 year deal for 65k a week) will be nuts to do so now.

I think stepping stone clubs will have to be quite keen now. need to sharpen the pencil

There are different models in the prem

1. Swansea: the get them old, pay them big money after getting them cheap. and survive model. these i think will not be too affected. as long as they pay very well then they will get the guys on the slide like llorente or siggurdsson on the second time round. IF you have seen their wage ration you will know i am right.

2. Southampton: the find them and sell them model. They will have to offer more and better terms IMO, shorter contracts to get players to sign up.

3. Liverpool: the we will buy anyone from anyone as long as somebody else doesn't want them type. Like everton.... simply put player development is a very difficult thing now. you don't reap the rewards IMO as by the time a player is 3 years in and just about to deliver they will be off. These type of clubs need to wake up fast and see its all baout the now

4. the Hoarders: cheslea: how many on loan that will never ever play for cheslea... what are those players getting out of it? can cheslea keep this up now? or will they see far more solanke types leave? i don't know. is a virtual industry of influence cheslea have got going propping up many clubs with loans then selling these guys on at a profit. If the palyers sign shorter deals how will this work.

5. the money no object clubs. city: utd. if these can shovel 210 or 140 mil out the door in fees they will just switch to the bayern model and hoover up players on short deals on huge wages and assemble the same teams they always did.

6. the tight. Spurs. perfect example of just refusing to pay the wages and holding the team together. they sold walker with glee and held trippier. rose is next to mouth off. they need to pick the pockets of other clubs to keep going. It would be just a constant struggle if you have kane and alli but they are on half what they could be on... why should they sign anything?

IMO agents will be winners as per normal. I think some clubs who need to move players on to keep in the prem will suffer most.

Its bloody hard out there when swansea can pay 100k a week to a 30 year old and are happy to do it.

I think LFC need to forget moneyball. yo won't get lads on 5 years unless they are completely dim. developing a player for 3 years to have him go to city, psg, barca or real is pointless. Better to buy for now and pay more wages. pick the pockets of clubs like we did for matip and get a strong team going.
 
I don't get why they'd get a discount if they simply triggered a release clause though? :huh:

ah you see.. :)

you believe the spanish press though.

despite being [HASHTAG]#neutral[/HASHTAG] you are willing to spout off that barca claimed and ignore that local sources said. 75mil in two installments.
 
Not what donga said, they didn't offer on him the previous summer.
You actually made me go and read up about the Suarez transfer saga, it's become fuzzy in my mind - doesn't take much <laugh>

I'd forgotten he was approached the year before by an 'unknown' big European club. These S Americans, trouble the lot of them <laugh>
 
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What I felt they have tried to do is sour the relationship between manager and player last night.

The line was fsg will deal but this is all klopp fault.

It's all games with them and frankly Southampton should take note how coutinho is acting. Off did nothing more than city and Chelsea did bar of course doing it face to face and southampton have somehow managed to do the rest to themselves and have continued to make it worse.... by themselves.

Barca are experts at trying to break down relationships and go after weak links like this.

It will be down to how strong klopp and coutinho are to resist the barrage and I'm sure some hacks today will be going in with loaded grenades to our presser.

Should be fireworks.

precisely. This is no longer simply about Ford. They're painting FSG into a corner, and no matter how much 'business' and 'profit' FSG are thinking short-term should be eclipsed by the long-term implications regarding their relationship with their manager and fans: precisely the reason that every wum on here is now more desperate to see this sale than worry about their own team is why FSG have to stand firm. They fold on this (no, I don't mean not sell under any, any circumstances - just only for silly money that Jurgen is happy wit, or don't sell at all) and their club will implode. It is that important - more vital to me now than the CL qualifier.
 
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precisely. This is no longer simply about Ford. They're pianting FSG into a corner, and no matter how much 'business' and 'profit' FSG are thinking short-term should be eclipsed by the long-term implications regarding their relationship with their manager and fans: precisely the reason that every wum on here is now more desperate to see this sale than worry about their own team is why FSG have to stand firm. They fold on this (no, I don't mean not sell under any, any circumstances - just only for silly money that Jurgen is happy wit, or don't sell at all) and their club will implode. It is that important - more vital to me now than the CL qualifier.

its very simple. klopp knows the game and has all but said come back next year. the spanish press are trying now to drive a wedge between player and manager in the hopes it forces something loose.
 
You actually made me go and read up about the Suarez transfer saga, it's become fuzzy in my mind - doesn't take much <laugh>

I'd forgotten he was approached the year before by an 'unknown' big European club. These S Americans, trouble the lot of them <laugh>
tbh mate, I thought they'd been in for him the previous year, but it was the Gooners with the £40m plus a quid thing.
 
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I don't get why they'd get a discount if they simply triggered a release clause though? :huh:

Why is this hard? After Luis went crying to the PFA about the unwritten 'gentleman's agreement' he reckoned he had with Brendan that he could go for over £40m (hence Arsenal's £40m +1 after tapping him up), Liverpool did a new contract with him including a pay rise and a £75m release clause for a non-prem team. After the WC biting and extensive ban Barca said they'd publicly trigger the £75m release clause, but privately bartered that down by £10m (and agent's fees) because it was a distressed sale and we were desperate to get rid. The rest (including Barca's crowing of the £10m discount) was proved by Wikileaks last year.
 
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Doesn't he have a £48m release clause from next year?

Yep, and after a couple of weeks begging him to sign a new contract without it (but no increase in wages because they have a strict self-imposed cap) they're starting to realise their negotiating position isn't so strong as [HASHTAG]#doingarangnick[/HASHTAG] thought he could blag
 
ah you see.. :)

you believe the spanish press though.

despite being [HASHTAG]#neutral[/HASHTAG] you are willing to spout off that barca claimed and ignore that local sources said. 75mil in two installments.


sorry MITO, but Wikileaks blew that out of the water. We did only get £65m AND we paid agent's fees, just like Barca said in 2014 (after allegedly telling Liverpool that they'd say they met the full release clause). Again, another to reason to **** them now that we hold the whip hand.