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I read your mind.

Jose has always been stubborn -he's a spoilt child. When things are going well for him he's ok, when they're not he has a tantrum.
When does he ever persevere with a difficult situation to try and bring it round?

I would say i agree with him being a spoilt child and his tantrums.

As for perservering with difficult situations (I haven't been listening to the ITK or anything) but from what i can see i will summarise:

Porto - took them to the top, left on a high
Chelsea - Took them to the top, probably could have perservered in that 3rd season although commentators will say he was sacked in which case he wasn't given the opportunity
Inter - Took them to the top, left on a high. Maybe the bricks would have come falling down the season after BUT we will never know
Real - Took off after it was difficult although tbf it was a difficult 3 seasons for him in spain, he just didn't get on
Chelsea - Sacked

So really you could only accuse him of running off AT most from Real and Chelsea first time. I have to disagree with him not trying to turn thing around
 
Heres what i dont get.

1. gerrard is toast. his legs are completely gone and his mls record was less than special.

2. why whore yourself around scotland say to play more football and ruin your rep. its already getting to the point where it could be called a sad end. hes not beckham. no psg is knocking on his door to hand him his elusive league medal. celtic are knocked ffs

3. why would anyone coach when sky will pay 4mil a year to henry???? thats as nuch as la galaxy paid him.

4. hes not got the badges to be a serious coach yet.

So...... all in all. he really ought to go enjoy himself and do a bit of punditry. easy cash there. if he chases a scottish league medal it really is sad imo.. sorry but it is.
 
Heres what i dont get.

1. gerrard is toast. his legs are completely gone and his mls record was less than special.

2. why whore yourself around scotland say to play more football and ruin your rep. its already getting to the point where it could be called a sad end. hes not beckham. no psg is knocking on his door to hand him his elusive league medal. celtic are knocked ffs

3. why would anyone coach when sky will pay 4mil a year to henry???? thats as nuch as la galaxy paid him.

4. hes not got the badges to be a serious coach yet.

So...... all in all. he really ought to go enjoy himself and do a bit of punditry. easy cash there. if he chases a scottish league medal it really is sad imo.. sorry but it is.

The fact you think he'd be a good pundit. The few times he's been there he's basically michael owen in another body. Yea he will get paid but he'll get slaughtered for being boring
 
I would say i agree with him being a spoilt child and his tantrums.

As for perservering with difficult situations (I haven't been listening to the ITK or anything) but from what i can see i will summarise:

Porto - took them to the top, left on a high
Chelsea - Took them to the top, probably could have perservered in that 3rd season although commentators will say he was sacked in which case he wasn't given the opportunity
Inter - Took them to the top, left on a high. Maybe the bricks would have come falling down the season after BUT we will never know
Real - Took off after it was difficult although tbf it was a difficult 3 seasons for him in spain, he just didn't get on
Chelsea - Sacked

So really you could only accuse him of running off AT most from Real and Chelsea first time. I have to disagree with him not trying to turn thing around
I wanted him to stay with you the last time. I said as much on here at the time because I was genuinely interested to see if he could overcome a tricky situation. He just cut and ran. I'd never liked him much as a (football) personality because I thought him too self-centred, though obviously I thought you had to respect his achievements. That changed my mind a lot. I think he's only ok when things run the way he wants them.
None of the examples you've mentioned show him being able to surmount significant obstacles.
 
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The fact you think he'd be a good pundit. The few times he's been there he's basically michael owen in another body. Yea he will get paid but he'll get slaughtered for being boring

I never said hed be good.

Im just saying sky will pay him for his name

Henry has been awful

Owen is so dull.

Gerrard would sound poor on sky yes and i think hed be worse than owen.
 
I wanted him to stay with you the last time. I said as much on here at the time because I was genuinely interested to see if he could overcome a tricky situation. He just cut and ran. I'd never liked him much as a (football) personality because I thought him too self-centred, though obviously I thought you had to respect his achievements. That changed my mind a lot. I think he's only ok when things run the way he wants them.
None of the examples you've mentioned show him being able to surmount significant obstacles.

I agree, he's not really shown that he can get through a bad situation and he has that 3 year tag bandied around. My point was, he's not really had the opportunity to get through a really bad period as he's either left at the top or been sacked.
 
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I would say i agree with him being a spoilt child and his tantrums.

As for perservering with difficult situations (I haven't been listening to the ITK or anything) but from what i can see i will summarise:

Porto - took them to the top, left on a high
Chelsea - Took them to the top, probably could have perservered in that 3rd season although commentators will say he was sacked in which case he wasn't given the opportunity
Inter - Took them to the top, left on a high. Maybe the bricks would have come falling down the season after BUT we will never know
Real - Took off after it was difficult although tbf it was a difficult 3 seasons for him in spain, he just didn't get on
Chelsea - Sacked

So really you could only accuse him of running off AT most from Real and Chelsea first time. I have to disagree with him not trying to turn thing around

I might agree solely on porto. but its not like they were that awful in tbe first place and it was a late away goal plus a virtual open run the got porti there.

Chelsea... sorry but ino what was sone qith that money to a side already second was nothing special.

Inter.. again leg work largely done and champions in italy as well. he built nothing and left an aged side and laughed.

Real. very political. very difficult job. under achieved really.

For me the guy built his rep at chelsea with every advantage but it was inter triple that btw was unopposed in italy.. that set up up as genius.

His work at real and then chelsea really has tarnished him. if he gets utd wrong he will be regarded as a guy who is what atsro calls him.

I mean his trophies look great but mos5 look bought.
 
I do not think Gerrard is going to do worse than Carragher on Sky tbh.

Carragher sounds a bit rough but hes doing far more analysis for his bucks than henry. no way will we see gerrard doing what carragher does.

Souness is best on sky right now imo but then i am old so his sarky attitude to the prima donnas works for me.

Neville is second best then carragher.

Redknapp and henry are pointless. put them on gillette soccer saturday.
 
I might agree solely on porto. but its not like they were that awful in tbe first place and it was a late away goal plus a virtual open run the got porti there.

Chelsea... sorry but ino what was sone qith that money to a side already second was nothing special.

Inter.. again leg work largely done and champions in italy as well. he built nothing and left an aged side and laughed.

Real. very political. very difficult job. under achieved really.

For me the guy built his rep at chelsea with every advantage but it was inter triple that btw was unopposed in italy.. that set up up as genius.

His work at real and then chelsea really has tarnished him. if he gets utd wrong he will be regarded as a guy who is what atsro calls him.

I mean his trophies look great but mos5 look bought.

lol i think you are missing the point in my post MITO.

Saint was saying how Jose runs off when the going gets tough. I was pointing out when the going gets tough, hes normally sacked so its not him running off, he's not had the opportunity to work at it
 
lol i think you are missing the point in my post MITO.

Saint was saying how Jose runs off when the going gets tough. I was pointing out when the going gets tough, hes normally sacked so its not him running off, he's not had the opportunity to work at it

Well... my point is hes been picking jobs with great conditions and set up and not improving them at all long term.

Hes gone to places where he is only the coach not really in charge of anything else too i must be said. he lasted longer than expected at real and it got snide and nasty frankly.

At inter the club was looking like it was imploding and he picked fights to ensure he got sacked... this is what he does. i honestly think at chelsea hes also picked fights and went out of his way last year to be sacked.

If i were utd fans i woyld want to be seeing utd need more than a coach.
 
Look I'll be honest. Sturridge is a top finisher but he's not the england no 1 striker. Kane is.

I agree that he should go abroad and rip up the french league with PSG. easy for him. PLus gets CL.

We won't sell the spurs and there is no way he will want to go to west ham or stoke.

I would agree that all being equal it would be best for all that he doesn't go mad this winter cos he has a league cup medal to play for again (will be in semi i hope after the draw we got) and he can compete for a league which he prob won't see a chance at again..

after that though. I don't know whats best. if he goes We have firmino and origi for one position. lets forget ings so there is a chance then for klopp to bring in a player with his fee. that would be interesting... i just don't think sturridge really fits klopp's needs.

klopp wanted him to play left side and drift but he spat the dummy immediately so has been on bench and has come on central with firmino being moved to accommodate with issues arising from it.

Arsenal?
 
Liverpool will reportedly be forced to fend off AC Milan's interest in striker Daniel Sturridge this winter, although Premier League rivals are also circling. Meanwhile, Bayer Leverkusen's Julian Brandt is said to have caught the Reds' attention.

According to Italian outlet Calciomercatoweb (h/t James Cambridge of the Daily Express), the Rossoneri are preparing a January move for the Anfield hitman, who has failed to score in eight Premier League outings this season.

Milan currently sit third in Serie A but are the joint-lowest scorers among Italy's top seven, with Carlos Bacca their most prolific contributor in front of goal with six strikes to his name so far this campaign.

Despite Sturridge's struggles, James Pearce of the Liverpool Echo has muted any talk of a January departure after insisting Liverpool need the England forward to "maintain their charge for glory":
Liverpool boss Jurgen Klopp eyed as shock replacement for Barca's Luis Enrique - report
BARCELONA have reportedly lined up Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp as a potential replacement for boss Luis Enrique.
 
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Although it went badly eventually you could take Madrid as an example of Jose's 'win at all costs' mentality.

He was appointed to try and wreck the dominance of the best club side of the decade (perhaps that we'll see for a long time)... he was made a fool by Barca a few times, but he still won a La Liga when Messi, Xavi etc were at their height. I wonder how much of Madrid's success in Europe since he left is attributable to that?

Jose's issue may be that he burns clubs out... he has never recycled a successful side. Is this his fault given the rinse and repeat ethos in top clubs nowadays? I think the main criticism from the outside has to be that he doesn't help himself - defensive football, inflexibility, awful attitude and a humour which has soured. He looks tired and we are tired of him. He seems to be proving himself to someone every time he speaks now.

Ps... Will he be Portugal's manager before the World Cup?