They don't though. I don t know about you but I can generally tell how technically good a player is from highlight video.
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You watching the Chelsea game? He's absolutely destroying them.
Pure class - I was under egging it if anything. He's miles better than Martinelli and Trossard.
I didn't watch it - I watched the City game.
I wouldn't take a game to make such an extreme determination, though.
With those goals he's taken his tally in the CL to the same number of goals Martinelli has this year, in 50% more minutes.
He has 7 goals 4 assist compared to Martinelli's 6 goals 1 assist. He also won it last Season though mate.
Regardless he's an entirely different level.
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Disagree.
He’s played a lot more minutes and has only just levelled up on goals.
You call one **** and another class.
It’s just extremes instead of objectivity.
Martinelli has been one of the stars in the CL this year. Certainly our best player in the competition.
I never called Martinelli **** - I like him, but Kvara is a few levels above him.
Of course if they only show him finishing/scoring. I bet there are also videos that show him just being **** too, if you know football you should be able to look at numbers, look at the videos and get an accurate picture of the player.
If you are talking about what passes a player can do then a YouTube video will show you. Can you find a video showing plenty of dribbling skills, that should answer the can he dribble question - add that to the dribble success metric and you can paint a picture
A few levels above Martinelli doesn’t exist.
There are just a handful of players in world football that are better than what we have and the margins are thin.
He's got 6 goals in the CL, the same as Martinelli - and he's played a lot more minutes and 2 more matches.
Where I will say that this guy has something different is that he seems to score spectacular goals - but that is a double edged sword. It means he's not scoring as many of the normal goals. Those spectacular goals can dry up for long periods of time.
Hasn;t he only scored 4 in France this year and 8 in 35 games overall in France? That's France, not the Premier League.
His goal rate in France and Italy is about the same as Martinelli's in the Premier League.
If he was truly 'levels above' Martinelli, I would expect him to be tearing up those weaker leagues and have a much higher rate than a PL player levels below him.
When considering any player, especially a wide player, for the PL, the assessment should be deeper. Low blocks , physicality and double /triple teamed marking of top wide players is a regular occurrence in 20-25 games a season.
Look at a player like Wirtz at Liverpool. Tears it up in the Bundesliga, 20-25 G+A in the league for two seasons running. Shadow of the player he LOOKED like when plying his trade in the PL.
If we want to sign players that will improve us we need to look higher. Whilst I think Mbappe is over rated, he is still a very good player and better than what we have on the left. He is a goal a game guy in the Spanish league - even higher in the Champions League. THAT is the level we need to be looking at if we want to bring in better than what we already have, not getting caught up in hype of a few games from players we see on YouTube or TV in the odd game, who doesn't have the numbers to back up the hype.
I never understand how the fan base are so quick to rubbish the players who have actually done something here, whilst at the same time lording players that have just come in and done **** all or pining for new players and getting rid of what we have. Players that have taken us to the brink of winning big titles.
Saka and Martinelli seem to be the two in the firing line right now.
Two 24 year olds - one has 158 goals and assists for the club and the other has 95 goals and assists for the club - again at 24 yrs of age with their peak years ahead of them.
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I'm clearly arguing with someone who hasn't really watched the player.
The inability to break down low blocks/ teams sitting back is where I think Martinelli lacks. Most of Nellis goals come on the break against sides pushing up. (Trossard is our better option here.)
I've defended Martinelli many times on here but he is an infuriating player.
Kvara definitely needs to add more goals but in the situations you are talking about there's arguably no-one better. This is actually what I like about him - he started as a number 10/AMF and has that passing range. I think there's very few players around right now with this kind of skillset.
The guy has such excellent close control - he reminds me of Hazard on the ball, plus he's aggressive and two footed. I think he would be ideal for us playing against sides who sit deep and defend.
You do realise he scored and knocked out Liverpool and Villa last Season, Chelsea this time round? Anyway he's not our player and we may never sign him.
The Saka criticism is absurd to me - it's clear he's had injuries holding him back - which is common after having a major surgery like he did. He just needs games.
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I have only seen him a few times - been impressed in a couple of games, not so much in the others.
Against us, even in the games we lost he was not particularly impressive. Some good moments, but I remember him losing the ball a lot.
I think you'd have to watch him in every game to get a good picture as to whether he'd flourish in the PL.
If we do sign him at some point, I will assume the club has done the proper work in assessment, but I am rarely interested in any player based on social media or the odd game here or there.
If you are saying you watch him week in week out, then yeah, you will know more about him than me, but I am unwilling to take the assessment of a fan on a player I am not seeing a lot of. Not saying you are wrong, just that I know most of the hype around players from other teams is unwarranted in the cold light of day of the PL and seeing that player week in week out, every game over a season.
By the way, this is why I was not too excited about Eze. I knew he had talent - and hoped he could become consistent - from seeing him in the PL for Palace, but I'd also seen quite a bit of him to know that for every highlight game, he had 5 where he did nothing and was somewhat of a passenger.
The thing about Martinelli and Trossard (Martinelli especially), is that they are team players and will can be trusted to bust a gut for 90 mins. Again, especially true of Martinelli where you'll regularly see him make vital defensive contributions. His energy is second to none. Did that again last night, as well as being ahead of any other player on the pitch in terms of beating his man and getting crosses in. That completeness as a player is actually vital to our system. Saw him named as our best player on many of the vlogs too and on rating services - yet the commentary from some fans is that he was ****. Baffling if I did not know already that most fan assessments are based on who the player is , not how they played.
Yes I hoped Eze would be that player for us too and he will be at times - the talent is there. But he definitely lacks an urgency and consistency. We need players who can deliver in the big moments. Rice and Saka (maybe Merino) are probably those players for us but we could do with a few more
I think with Eze he is still learning that we are not Palace. He needs to step up and be far more arrogant than he is (on the pitch). He needs to continually try things and not be afraid to fail PLUS put the work in all game.
I think he has it in him, but he must understand that being at a top club is far different to being at Palace - his Palace performances bought him a ticket to the big time, but nothing more.
Reports tonight that Lewis-Skelly has told Arteta about his frustrations regarding the lack of game time.
His future next season is unclear. Whilst he could be sold, the likelihood is he goes out on loan.
I have to be honest. Letting a talent like Lewis-Skelly leave permanently would be a huge blemish on Arteta. You can't mismanage talents like this.
He should be playing more and deserves to be playing more based on how poor some of our midfielders have been, so I totally get why he's annoyed.
His future next season is unclear. Whilst he could be sold, the likelihood is he goes out on loan.
I have to be honest. Letting a talent like Lewis-Skelly leave permanently would be a huge blemish on Arteta. You can't mismanage talents like this.
He should be playing more and deserves to be playing more based on how poor some of our midfielders have been, so I totally get why he's annoyed.
If the rumour is true his Arsenal career is over - and rightly so. I have no time for players making waves at such a crucial time. I stress, IF the rumour is true I would like MLS kicked so far out of our club that his arse doesn’t touch the ground until he reaches Europe
Why though?
We don't know when these conversations have happened and for all we know, they happened weeks ago, but just got leaked now. It could also be his agent, so may have nothing to do with him.
I'm doubtful about how true the rumours are, but let's say hypothetically they are true. He's entitled to feel frustrated considering how well he played last season and the fact he can't get a look in this season. It's not like all our players have been flying high, I think it's fair to say he's warranted more minutes.
That being said, he is only 19 years old and he's part of a squad that is currently challenging on multiple fronts, so there is a degree of patience to be exercised on his part.
But I do understand and sympathise with him being frustrated.
We should absolutely not be selling him.
If it’s now and if it’s him directly and not his agent, he should be dumped.
Classic mismanagement of players by Arteta, that's his modus operandi. I would rather Arteta **** off than MLS leave.
You want the manager who has taken us to the brink of the greatest season we have ever had to leave, because a player is complaining about game time?
Truth is MLS has had plenty of game time. He's played 26 matches and 1,300 minutes of football.
Thats about the same as Mosquera and only slightly less the Madueke.
The unfortunate thing is that when he HAS played he's looked absolutely clueless defensively and has been easy to beat 1v1.
You ignored key word mismanagement Jay. If you play a CM at LB what do you think will happen???