Transfer Rumours Transfer Rumours Thread

[Jayramfootball]

While I accept your argument I think it would be wrong to ignore emerging talent, not even clubs like Real Madrid do that. We have to look at the next big thing players too.

Looking for the next big thing players is a dangerous game to play, IMO. Football is riddled with marketing and PR money that goes into building player reputations. It's part of an agents job to increase the value of their players, just like it is for a car salesman to get the best price for any car they are selling. We've seen it reach ridiculous levels with average players being hailed as the next big thing. The likes of Deli Alli and Mason Mount spring to mind... Jadon Sancho.. I could go on. I would even put the likes of Bellingham and Foden in there. It's especially dangerous with players without PL experience.
IMO there are very very few players that a clearly going to be superstars. I mean VERY few. At this time in football across Europe , maybe 1 or 2.

I am convinced, by the way, that pundits on TV and in the media are also in on the marketing and PR, paid to give glowing reviews of players.
I have seen too many average performances (and even bad ones) hailed as masterclasses to not seriously question the integrity of many of the pundits and reporters opinions.

Gordon is a guy with 28 goals and 26 assists in 171 PL games.
Martinelli has 41 PL goals in less time on the pitch and 23 assists - and some think he is not good enough.
There is of course more to wide play than goals and assists, but Martinelli also way clear of Gordon in defensive work and energy to continue pressing.
Trossard has 51 goals and 41 assists in only about 25% more PL minutes than Gordon.

Note the increase in hype after Gordon banged in multiple goals against an awful team in Europe. This is what agents leverage, looking for the next big move and pay day.
£75m is a joke. If we are considering Gordon it would be as a back up to potentially replace an aging Trossard - and £25m would be the maximum we should pay.
I rather suspect the story about Gordon is agent planted to take advantage of the goals scored against Qarabag (or whoever it was).

 

[cini65]

Never watched a minute of Juve for years, but watched the highlights of their Galatasaray game earlier. Yildiz is **** hot. He should be near the top of the list for that LW slot. Like a 20yo Khvaratskelia

 

[TheBear]

Being linked to Khvicha Kvaratskhelia - now we are talking!

Thats probably the perfect option to upgrade for our left hand side. Two footed, technical - one of the best dribblers out there.

Kvaratskhelia----------Havertz----------------Saka
-------------------------Eze------------------------

That Attack would be superb!

 

[Jayramfootball]

Being linked to Khvicha Kvaratskhelia - now we are talking!

Thats probably the perfect option to upgrade for our left hand side. Two footed, technical - one of the best dribblers out there.

Kvaratskhelia----------Havertz----------------Saka
-------------------------Eze------------------------

That Attack would be superb!

Would be a huge mistake.
Totally unproven and no more productive as what we already have, even though he plays in weaker leagues.
Absolute classic example of a 'grass is greener' highlights player that we don't see week in week out.

To get better than what we have - we're talking players of the level the likes of Bale achieved. Nothing lower.

 

[cini65]

Being linked to Khvicha Kvaratskhelia - now we are talking!

Thats probably the perfect option to upgrade for our left hand side. Two footed, technical - one of the best dribblers out there.

Kvaratskhelia----------Havertz----------------Saka
-------------------------Eze------------------------

That Attack would be superb!

Hand of Arsenal has already come out and rubbished this link. He's happy in Paris.

 

[TheBear]

Hand of Arsenal has already come out and rubbished this link. He's happy in Paris.

Who cares what some random Twitter account says? and how would he know if he's happy in Paris or not?

The rumour comes from Romano which is a least somewhat respectable.

Regardless I think he would be ideal for our system.

 

[Jayramfootball]

Who cares what some random Twitter account says? and how would he know if he's happy in Paris or not?

The rumour comes from Romano which is a least somewhat respectable.

Regardless I think he would be ideal for our system.

Why?
What have you seen that makes him so good that he could break into the first team of a club at the top of the Premier League?

 

[TheBear]

Why?
What have you seen that makes him so good that he could break into the first team of a club at the top of the Premier League?

He's extremely well rounded, two footed, quite aggressive, can pass - he's like a more skillfull Trossard with Martinellis pace.
(He's also developed a reputation for being hard working in France as he often tracks back and wins the ball)

I wanted us to sign him back when he was in Italy.

 

[Jayramfootball]

He's extremely well rounded, two footed, quite aggressive, can pass - he's like a more skillfull Trossard with Martinellis pace.
(He's also developed a reputation for being hard working in France as he often tracks back and wins the ball)

I wanted us to sign him back when he was in Italy.

When I have seen him - and it's not game by game as I dont watch all the French league games - he looks patchy. Moments, but over a season is he going to be able to cut it in the PL with far less space and time? I don;t buy comparison like 'more skillful version of Trossard' because Trossard operates at a high level with far less time and space.
That's why I think we have to be careful with a lot of the names I hear - like this guy, or Lookman , Williams etc.
I have seen nothing that suggests they are an improvement on what we have.

Lets look at him against Martnelli in the same competition - the CL over their careers.
Martinelli has a goal or assist every 128 minutes (a goal every 180 minutes)
Kvaratskhelia has a goal or assist every 142 minutes (a goal every 301 minutes)

From a pure attacking threat Martinelli is clear.

So what is it about this guy - is he linking play and creating pre assists galore or something?

Honestly, If we are going to sign a replacements , I want players like Yamal - not players that can't show they are well clear of what we have.

Look at the players that have actually worked for us.
They either came through our system as youngsters, had potential that we developed or were proven in the PL in the main.

Saka
Saliba
Gabriel
Rice
Raya
Trossard
Martinelli
Odegaard
Jesus
Havertz
White
Dowman coming through
Even Eze - not made the big impact yet - but he might

It's actually quite rare we see great value in a player who has built a reputation in foreign leagues and has this PR narrative that they are elite level.

 

[cini65]

Who cares what some random Twitter account says? and how would he know if he's happy in Paris or not?

The rumour comes from Romano which is a least somewhat respectable.

Regardless I think he would be ideal for our system.

Are you having a laugh? Random? Hand of Arsenal is possibly more respectable and at least as ITK than Romano.

 

[TheBear]

When I have seen him - and it's not game by game as I dont watch all the French league games - he looks patchy. Moments, but over a season is he going to be able to cut it in the PL with far less space and time? I don;t buy comparison like 'more skillful version of Trossard' because Trossard operates at a high level with far less time and space.
That's why I think we have to be careful with a lot of the names I hear - like this guy, or Lookman , Williams etc.
I have seen nothing that suggests they are an improvement on what we have.

Lets look at him against Martnelli in the same competition - the CL over their careers.
Martinelli has a goal or assist every 128 minutes (a goal every 180 minutes)
Kvaratskhelia has a goal or assist every 142 minutes (a goal every 301 minutes)

From a pure attacking threat Martinelli is clear.

So what is it about this guy - is he linking play and creating pre assists galore or something?

Honestly, If we are going to sign a replacements , I want players like Yamal - not players that can't show they are well clear of what we have.

Look at the players that have actually worked for us.
They either came through our system as youngsters, had potential that we developed or were proven in the PL in the main.

Saka
Saliba
Gabriel
Rice
Raya
Trossard
Martinelli
Odegaard
Jesus
Havertz
White
Dowman coming through
Even Eze - not made the big impact yet - but he might

It's actually quite rare we see great value in a player who has built a reputation in foreign leagues and has this PR narrative that they are elite level.

Your funny Jayram. Mate If I reel off stats - you will say . It doesn't count because it's Italy or France.

Just use your eyes though - he's technically ELITE. Can play the ball long or short , shoot with either foot and dribble both ways.
This is the guy keeping Bradley Barcola on the bench.

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It's funny because you've now said you DONT Rate: Haaland, Mbappe, Bellingham, Tonali, Alvarez... Give me a list of 10 players currently playing outside for Arsenal that you think are ELITE.

 

[Jayramfootball]

Your funny Jayram. Mate If I reel off stats - you will say . It doesn't count because it's Italy or France.

Just use your eyes though - he's technically ELITE. Can play the ball long or short , shoot with either foot and dribble both ways.
This is the guy keeping Bradley Barcola on the bench.

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It's funny because you've now said you DONT Rate: Bellingham, Haaland, Mbappe, Alvarez... Give me a list of 10 players currently playing outside for Arsenal that you think are ELITE.

Sorry - I am not going to entertain YouTube videos of highlights.

There is a difference between not rating a player and thinking they are overhyped.
I think this player is a good player , just like the others you mentioned, but nowhere near their hype.

The reason I used the stats above because it's both players in the same competition.
Not incomparable league stats.
I am not even writing off Kvaratskhelia, just that he would be a risk and I see nothing that suggests he is an upgrade at all on what we have, never mind a big upgrade.

Now if you are talking Yamal, then I would be interested. There is probably no other wide player in the world that I would consider an upgrade worth splashing the cash on. Unless we're talking really special, then you are talking about fine margins with huge risk that the player can't settle or cut it in the PL.
TBH, generally, I don't look at other players in foreign leagues and yearn for them to replace what we have.
I prefer younger players with potential that become part of Arsenal and moulded into the team. The team is the most important and players should be judged on ability, attitude and aptitude in the context of the Premier League.
Trossard and Martinelli have proved exceptional in all areas (except maybe Trossard on the aptitude scale as he was already well developed when we bought him and probably at his peak)

Because of Trossard's age, we probably need another wide player to replace him soon - that should be a young player that can grow with the team.

Generally, I think there is too much transfer PR and hype in the game. Average players going for fortunes.
I recall Leao being a player mentioned that we should be splashing £100m plus on. Madness.

 

[TheBear]

Sorry - I am not going to entertain YouTube videos of highlights.

There is a difference between not rating a player and thinking they are overhyped.
I think this player is a good player , just like the others you mentioned, but nowhere near their hype.

The reason I used the stats above because it's both players in the same competition.
Not incomparable league stats.
I am not even writing off Kvaratskhelia, just that he would be a risk and I see nothing that suggests he is an upgrade at all on what we have, never mind a big upgrade.

Now if you are talking Yamal, then I would be interested. There is probably no other wide player in the world that I would consider an upgrade worth splashing the cash on. Unless we're talking really special, then you are talking about fine margins with huge risk that the player can't settle or cut it in the PL.
TBH, generally, I don't look at other players in foreign leagues and yearn for them to replace what we have.
I prefer younger players with potential that become part of Arsenal and moulded into the team. The team is the most important and players should be judged on ability, attitude and aptitude in the context of the Premier League.
Trossard and Martinelli have proved exceptional in all areas (except maybe Trossard on the aptitude scale as he was already well developed when we bought him and probably at his peak)

Because of Trossard's age, we probably need another wide player to replace him soon - that should be a young player that can grow with the team.

Generally, I think there is too much transfer PR and hype in the game. Average players going for fortunes.
I recall Leao being a player mentioned that we should be splashing £100m plus on. Madness.

Well if we're talking LWers I would probably put Kvartskelia top of my list. Ahead of Rodrygo, Gordon, Leao, Williams, or any of the other players i've seen us linked to.

It's more a style thing for me - He's creative, technical and hardworking so I think he fits the system/squad. I would much rather that than a player like Leao who can be imperious but is usually bang average.

My issue with Eze is similar; he has that kind of personality where he's either inspired or average. I think Kvartskelia differs form that kind of player because you know you always get workrate and intensity with him. (As you do with Saka)

Trossard will be 32 next Season so it's probably time to start looking for a replacement. Although you could argue he deserves another Season.

 

[Jayramfootball]

Well if we're talking LWers I would probably put Kvartskelia top of my list. Ahead of Rodrygo, Gordon, Leao, Williams, or any of the other players i've seen us linked to.

It's more a style thing for me - He's creative, technical and hardworking so I think he fits the system/squad. I would much rather that than a player like Leao who can be imperious but is usually bang average.

My issue with Eze is similar; he has that kind of personality where he's either inspired or average. I think Kvartskelia differs form that kind of player because you know you always get workrate and intensity with him. (As you do with Saka)

Trossard will be 32 next Season so it's probably time to start looking for a replacement. Although you could argue he deserves another Season.

The replacement to Trossard makes sense - because of his age.
So I would not mind the likes of Kvartskelia as a replacement to him, but genuinely would not expect that to be an significant improvement, just a replacement.
I am always wary of player assessment comparisons that claim big improvements or any improvement when it comes to these types of players because fans are often comparing watching their own players for a full season week in week out - every minute, every mistake as well as every good moment - vs just highlights of the other player.
To be fair, you may follow this guy closely and know more, but generally what I see is a lot of fans caught up in hype based on limited samples of play.

 

[theHotHeaded One]

He's extremely well rounded, two footed, quite aggressive, can pass - he's like a more skillfull Trossard with Martinellis pace.
(He's also developed a reputation for being hard working in France as he often tracks back and wins the ball)

I wanted us to sign him back when he was in Italy.

I get dismayed when I see stuff like this, hard working, everything always has to link back to defending. Enough with the defending already, can we get an offensive player that is fantastic at creating/scoring goals please!!

 

[theHotHeaded One]

I agree with Bear, YouTube videos have their place. If you see a player doing something technical, the opposition or the context doesn't really matter - you have to have the ability to do whatever it was in the first place. So YouTube videos should not be dismissed immediately. You have to look at what the video is showing you.

If a player has a small range of passing you won't be able to make a video that shows he has a wide range - unless of course the video shows him performing a wide range of passing throughout. So fluke or unicorn passes won't be enough.

 

[theHotHeaded One]

I remember seeing a video of Declan Rice strumming the ball and taking free kicks (before he came to Arsenal), just messing about. I knew he had those tools in his locker when we bought him

 

[Jayramfootball]

I agree with Bear, YouTube videos have their place. If you see a player doing something technical, the opposition or the context doesn't really matter - you have to have the ability to do whatever it was in the first place. So YouTube videos should not be dismissed immediately. You have to look at what the video is showing you.

If a player has a small range of passing you won't be able to make a video that shows he has a wide range - unless of course the video shows him performing a wide range of passing throughout. So fluke or unicorn passes won't be enough.

Youtube videos are a few minutes long.
There are videos that make Nketiah look like a monster.

 

[BrunelGunner]

Sam Dean (Arsenal correspondent) and Luke Wallace (Newcastle correspondent) of The Telegraph are both reporting that Arsenal are showing serious interest in Newcastle fullback Tino Livramento. Both sources are typically reliable when it comes to transfer news.

Look, I have to be honest, I think he's a top player when he's fit, but the guy's injury record is abysmal and Newcastle apparently want in the region of £60m+ to sell him.

I just don't think it's worth taking the risk on a player who is so prone to injuries.

We'd be better off keeping Ben White.

 

[Jayramfootball]

Sam Dean (Arsenal correspondent) and Luke Wallace (Newcastle correspondent) of The Telegraph are both reporting that Arsenal are showing serious interest in Newcastle fullback Tino Livramento. Both sources are typically reliable when it comes to transfer news.

Look, I have to be honest, I think he's a top player when he's fit, but the guy's injury record is abysmal and Newcastle apparently want in the region of £60m+ to sell him.

I just don't think it's worth taking the risk on a player who is so prone to injuries.

We'd be better off keeping Ben White.

Decent player for sure - but yes, injury prone. Nowhere near that value.
We have to be careful not to give clubs like Newcastle funds.