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[TheBear]

He’s not even close to being as good as Gabriel Jesus.
Not good enough at PL level even when he was playing for the best team.

Hilarious.

7 Season ago I might have agreed they were on a similar level but Gabby just doesn't score anywhere near enough anymore.
If we sold Gabby right now nobody is paying more than £30m for him. I bet Athletico get £90m+ for Alvarez. (if they sell)

 

[Jayramfootball]

Hilarious.

7 Season ago I might have agreed they were on a similar level but Gabby just doesn't score anywhere near enough anymore.
If we sold Gabby right now nobody is paying more than £30m for him. I bet Athletico get £90m+ for Alvarez. (if they sell)

Jesus at Arsenal 50 G+A in 5,876 minutes of football - a goal contribution every 117 minutes
Alvarez at City 55 G+A in 6,007 minutes of football - a goal contribution every 109 minutes

Almost no difference , despite Jesus having major injuries and needing to work his way back to fitness in a stop / start career at Arsenal and Alvarez playing for the best team in the league when at City.

A fit Jesus is levels above Alvarez.
I would buy an argument to say that because of Jesus's injury record it may be a fair trade - not improving us but we get a younger player far less injury prone, but the idea that Alvarez is better than Jesus is for the birds. Jesus is one of the most talented footballers around. We saw how good he can be in his first half season with us before injury - he transformed us.

Any club paying £90m for Alvarez would be about as dumb as you can get.

 

[Jayramfootball]

As it stands if Jesus does stay fit - yes, it's a big if - we won't find a better forward that is available.

 

[TheBear]

Jesus at Arsenal 50 G+A in 5,876 minutes of football - a goal contribution every 117 minutes
Alvarez at City 55 G+A in 6,007 minutes of football - a goal contribution every 109 minutes

Almost no difference , despite Jesus having major injuries and needing to work his way back to fitness in a stop / start career at Arsenal and Alvarez playing for the best team in the league when at City.

A fit Jesus is levels above Alvarez.
I would buy an argument to say that because of Jesus's injury record it may be a fair trade - not improving us but we get a younger player far less injury prone, but the idea that Alvarez is better than Jesus is for the birds. Jesus is one of the most footballers around. We saw how good he can be in his first half season with us before injury - he transformed us.

Na maybe i'm being little harsh on Jesus but I think the ship has sailed for him now. He always had top class ability - but he never managed to have that breakout Season. He's just about to turn 29.

Alvarez at 25 just had a 37 G/A Season and I think that will continue for him now. (he has 11 goals 8 assist already this term)

Jesus has all the ability in the world but he's lacking the ruthlessness needed to go up a level - which I think Alvarez has done.

 

[Jayramfootball]

Na maybe i'm being little harsh on Jesus but I think the ship has sailed for him now. He always had top class ability - but he never managed to have that breakout Season.

Alvarez at 25 just had a 37 G/A Season and I think that will continue for him now. (he has 11 goals 8 assist already this term)

Jesus has all the ability in the world but he's lacking the ruthlessness needed to go up a level - which I think Alvarez has done.

Alvarez record this season is not relevant - it's not in the PL.
All other leagues bar the Premier League are crap and I am not exaggerating - and the gap is getting wider.

Even if we just look at Alvarez vs Jesus in the PL the records are similar
Jesus at Arsenal 33 G+A in 4,310 minutes in the PL (19 goals and 14 assists)
Alvarez at City 31 G+A in 4113 minutes in the PL (20 goals and 11 assists)

Again - with Jesus suffering severe injuries and a stop start career at Arsenal so far.

Jesus is one the very best players around who has suffered major injuries that has stifled his career. The injuries would be the only reason we should even consider getting rid of him and if we do I certainly would not want Alvarez as a replacement. That would be taking a player who can only perform at Jesus levels despite Jesus's injury nightmare.

 

[TheBear]

Alvarez record this season is not relevant - it's not in the PL.
All other leagues bar the Premier League are crap and I am not exaggerating - and the gap is getting wider.

Even if we just look at Alvarez vs Jesus in the PL the records are similar
Jesus at Arsenal 33 G+A in 4,310 minutes in the PL (19 goals and 14 assists)
Alvarez at City 31 G+A in 4113 minutes in the PL (20 goals and 11 assists)

Again - with Jesus suffering severe injuries and a stop start career at Arsenal so far.

Jesus is one the very best players around who has suffered major injuries that has stifled his career. The injuries would be the only reason we should even consider getting rid of him and if we do I certainly would not want Alvarez as a replacement. That would be taking a player who can only perform at Jesus levels despite Jesus's injury nightmare.

Mate - this argument is nonsense for a bunch of reasons.

Generally strikers peak from 25-30 - These are the years you can expect to get the highest output.

Alvarez from 24yo started to hit those big elite numbers, this is what you get with TOP centreforwards.

Jesus never made that step up.

Watching Alvarez at City in his final Season, he was coming in clutch for them. It was clear he was on the cusp of exploding. They sold him ultimately because of Haaland but I could see this improvement coming a mile off.

 

[TheBear]

Any club paying £90m for Alvarez would be about as dumb as you can get.

They seem to agree with me on the valuations.

Julián Alvarez - Player profile 25/26

Julián Alvarez, 26, from Argentina ➤ Atlético de Madrid, since 2024 ➤ Centre-Forward ➤ Market value: €90.00m ➤ * 31/01/2000 in Calchín, Argentina

www.transfermarkt.com

Gabriel Jesus - Player profile 25/26

Gabriel Jesus, 28, from Brazil ➤ Arsenal FC, since 2022 ➤ Centre-Forward ➤ Market value: €20.00m ➤ * 03/04/1997 in São Paulo, Brazil

www.transfermarkt.com

 

[skip09]

Honestly, the only real difference between the two is the age gap. Both are quality and I agree Alvarez would be great for Arsenal. Jesus hasn't really had a consistent run for us and I do think he will produce the goods with more football, 29 is not old for a striker and he looks sharp at the moment. I can't see us spending big money on Alvarez when we currently have Jesus. That may change at the end of the season

 

[Jayramfootball]

They seem to agree with me on the valuations.

Julián Alvarez - Player profile 25/26

Julián Alvarez, 26, from Argentina ➤ Atlético de Madrid, since 2024 ➤ Centre-Forward ➤ Market value: €90.00m ➤ * 31/01/2000 in Calchín, Argentina

www.transfermarkt.com

Gabriel Jesus - Player profile 25/26

Gabriel Jesus, 28, from Brazil ➤ Arsenal FC, since 2022 ➤ Centre-Forward ➤ Market value: €20.00m ➤ * 03/04/1997 in São Paulo, Brazil

www.transfermarkt.com

Transfer fees do not represent fair value- in almost all cases.

 

[Jayramfootball]

Mate - this argument is nonsense for a bunch of reasons.

Generally strikers peak from 25-30 - These are the years you can expect to get the highest output.

Alvarez from 24yo started to hit those big elite numbers, this is what you get with TOP centreforwards.

Jesus never made that step up.

Watching Alvarez at City in his final Season, he was coming in clutch for them. It was clear he was on the cusp of exploding. They sold him ultimately because of Haaland but I could see this improvement coming a mile off.

Jesus has suffered terrible injuries in his peak.

Alvarez has never hit elite numbers. In his last season for City he was scoring and assisting at a lower rate than Jesus was in 22/23.
Highlights are not a true representation of a player. Unless you are watching a player week in week out and all minutes as we do with our own team it's nigh on impossible to get a fair comparison. It's not hard, for example, to pull up a host of horrible misses by Alvarez - but it's not something we are going to pay much attention to as Arsenal fans. One of our own players missing a chance, though, we're all over it.

 

[BobbyD]

Better bin off gyokores then. His pl stats are pony

 

[TheBear]

Jesus has suffered terrible injuries in his peak.

Alvarez has never hit elite numbers. In his last season for City he was scoring and assisting at a lower rate than Jesus was in 22/23.
Highlights are not a true representation of a player. Unless you are watching a player week in week out and all minutes as we do with our own team it's nigh on impossible to get a fair comparison. It's not hard, for example, to pull up a host of horrible misses by Alvarez - but it's not something we are going to pay much attention to as Arsenal fans. One of our own players missing a chance, though, we're all over it.

He hit elite numbers last Season - even though he's more a false 9 than a trad CF.

The age of a player REALLY matters, that's why it dictates transfer value. 25-29/30 is where you expect big numbers.

 

[Jayramfootball]

He hit elite numbers last Season - even though he's more a false 9 than a trad CF.

The age of a player REALLY matters, that's why it dictates transfer value. 25-29/30 is where you expect big numbers.

He wasn’t in the PL last season either.
He does have age on his side, agree with that… though Jesus is only 28. If he could stay fit ( yeah, unlikely) I would keep him for sure.

 

[BrunelGunner]

Speaking of Julian Alvarez, right on cue...

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[BobbyD]

Speaking of Julian Alvarez, right on cue...

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Watch this space. Julian Alvarez is overrated and crap and not worth it.

The second he signs on the dot "julian alvarez is an absolute worldy and will fire us to the title. Looks at his goals to game ratio and he's young and fit playing as a supporting striker

 

[theHotHeaded One]

I think Alvarez is WAY better than Jesus honestly . He's a much better finisher anyway. He would offer us the versatility and skills of Jesus but give an extra 10 + goals a Season.

He scored 19 + 17 at City as a the backup to Haaland. (29 goals + 8 assist last Season at Athletico)

Problem is we are creatively ****, if all of our attackers have struggled for the past season and a half under this system why would it be any different for Alvarez?!

 

[theHotHeaded One]

Watch this space. Julian Alvarez is overrated and crap and not worth it.

The second he signs on the dot "julian alvarez is an absolute worldy and will fire us to the title. Looks at his goals to game ratio and he's young and fit playing as a supporting striker

The problem is the manager has turned defensive and we look like a team devoid of attacking ideas. £100m Alvarez doesn't change that!

 

[TheBear]

Problem is we are creatively ****, if all of our attackers have struggled for the past season and a half under this system why would it be any different for Alvarez?!

Yeah except that's not the case.

 

[TheBear]

Watch this space. Julian Alvarez is overrated and crap and not worth it.

The second he signs on the dot "julian alvarez is an absolute worldy and will fire us to the title. Looks at his goals to game ratio and he's young and fit playing as a supporting striker

We're not going to sign him anyway. So you are wrong on both counts.

 

[BrunelGunner]

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