Tottenham target Mourinho

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I'd say that the player that most exemplifies Guardiola is actually Dani Alves.
Good going forward, works hard, presses well, very skilful and has tons of flair, but he dives if an opposition player looks at him funny.
 
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humanbeingincroydon said:
Cynical and nasty isn't negative - it's spending 90 minutes kicking the opponents off the pitch in a rota system, so one player gets booked after three or four have kicked them. It's consistently diving in games in order to gain an unfair advantage. It's squaring up to opponents and officials every chance they get.

Do people really want to see this at WHL just because he's a "winner", despite all the evidence that states he is someone only capable of buying success or, when at Inter, because the threat of Milan and Juventus was seriously truncated due to the Calciopoli scandal?
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Firstly, diving is endemic in Spanish football. Everybody from Barca on down does it. Similarly, cynical fouls are just as much a part of the game here. Again, practised by all.
Mourinho not only made Porto European champions, he did far more with Inter than take advantage of some problems for other Italian sides - he made them European champions too!
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
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Firstly, diving is endemic in Spanish football. Everybody from Barca on down does it. Similarly, cynical fouls are just as much a part of the game here. Again, practised by all.
Mourinho not only made Porto European champions, he did far more with Inter than take advantage of some problems for other Italian sides - he made them European champions too!
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Apart from the fact that is no excuse, it doesn't excuse the fact they do so in European competition as well, nor does it explain how they became so endemic at Chelsea, or how blatantly his Porto side were diving against Celtic in the UEFA Cup final a few years back.

I already covered how Porto's run to the CL final saw them avoid most of the big guns (and when they did face them, they either gave away four points to real, or beat a Man Utd team in dissaray), and the same can be said for Inter: dropped four points to Barca in the group stages and also drew with Dinamo Kiev and Rubin Kazan, beat Chelsea as they were between managers (again) followed by the mighty CSKA Moscow, then parked the bus against Barca in a match they had one shot in 90 minutes. Bayern had tougher opposition throughout the tournament, as Monaco did a few years before.

It should also be noted that, in order to meet Mourinho's "ambitions" in the transfer market (read: meet his budget), they had to do cash + player deals to sign Milito, Motta and Mariga, as well as sell Ibrahimovic for the best part of €50m with Eto'o thrown in (and made a €50m loss on transfer dealings the season before) Once again, this is not a financial arrangement we can operate under, as we don't have £30-40m to write off every summer, nor do we have many players we're willing to send in part-exchange that could knock a chunk off the transfer value of a Premier League player we're looking to sign.

Mourinho's record is as much smoke and mirrors as the chances of Daniel Levy losing his sanity and bringing him in is likely.
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
Apart from the fact that is no excuse, it doesn't excuse the fact they do so in European competition as well, nor does it explain how they became so endemic at Chelsea, or how blatantly his Porto side were diving against Celtic in the UEFA Cup final a few years back.

I already covered how Porto's run to the CL final saw them avoid most of the big guns (and when they did face them, they either gave away four points to real, or beat a Man Utd team in dissaray), and the same can be said for Inter: dropped four points to Barca in the group stages and also drew with Dinamo Kiev and Rubin Kazan, beat Chelsea as they were between managers (again) followed by the mighty CSKA Moscow, then parked the bus against Barca in a match they had one shot in 90 minutes. Bayern had tougher opposition throughout the tournament, as Monaco did a few years before.

It should also be noted that, in order to meet Mourinho's "ambitions" in the transfer market (read: meet his budget), they had to do cash + player deals to sign Milito, Motta and Mariga, as well as sell Ibrahimovic for the best part of €50m with Eto'o thrown in (and made a €50m loss on transfer dealings the season before) Once again, this is not a financial arrangement we can operate under, as we don't have £30-40m to write off every summer, nor do we have many players we're willing to send in part-exchange that could knock a chunk off the transfer value of a Premier League player we're looking to sign.

Mourinho's record is as much smoke and mirrors as the chances of Daniel Levy losing his sanity and bringing him in is likely.
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We will have to agree to disagree. By your measure, Mourinho must be the luckiest manager that ever existed. Lucky with Porto, lucky with Inter, and now lucky with Real. I have a different view.
I agree that the budget may be an area of discussion, or even dispute. However, I for one don't doubt his ability.
 
I didn't know that about AW PNP thank you. Remarkably successful both of them seeing as they didn't play. I have to play the role of villain by saying we should get him at Spurs because I feel he'd be more successful than Harry. According to Croydon no other Spurs fan would want him as much as I do even though scores of thousands of Spurs fans don't post on here so how does he know? I would like to see somebody of that stature at WHL. I cannot see names like Moyes and Rodgers doing it for us. We need a coach who can compete with the best and he is the best. It doesn't matter who we have because posters on here always seem to have some criticism of everybody.
 
A lot of Spurs fans would like Mourinho to take over TMT, but I don't think that it's a realistic appointment, personally.
There's no doubt that he's been incredibly effective in his career so far, but Croydon's right to point out that he's been supported very well, financially speaking.

I'll put more thought into it if it ever looks like it might actually happen.
It's nice to see the differing views on the matter, though.
 
It'll never happen, purely based on his affinity with us.

Utd, City etc then that's a different story...
 
Well wasn't there talk of a billionaire buying us? I don't know if that would be a good thing or bad looking at Chelsea and Man City with their owners.
I can handle differing views and can handle Croydon's and The Boss' criticisms,just wondered why they singled me out but that's not a mod's concern. A 55,000 seater and a stadium and CL just might lure JM. I actually said it on the BBC 606 but was disagreed with. Well it's nearer now isn't it?
 
SW6 said:
It'll never happen, purely based on his affinity with us.

Utd, City etc then that's a different story...
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I think you may be deluding yourself about this "affinity. He may just want to prove a point to you - from right on your own doorstep!
 
SW6 said:
It'll never happen, purely based on his affinity with us.

Utd, City etc then that's a different story...
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Do you really think he hasn't noticed Abramovich has not changed his ways at all, still forces players on his managers and is generally a nightmare to work for.
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
As stated, it's the overall amount they spend on transfers each summer - the C25m they spent on di Maria or €30m they spent on Coentrao are the biggest figures, but they sign half a dozen players for around €10m every summer. In his two seasons at Real, Mourinho has spent an average of €65m on players, and recouped an average of €12.5m - Spurs can't afford to lose £30m a season on transfer fees at this time in the way that Chelsea, Inter and Real are able to do so, which - other than the fact he inflicts cynical, nasty anti-football on people - is the ultimate reason he is the wrong man for the job.
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Totally disagree, it doesn't matter one toss what he spent at Real or anywhere else, he spent it because he can, why on earth does everyone assume JM has to have money, and if he did arrive it would mean we have to find more...what a load of bollox. If he comes here, its under our terms accordingly, i'd like to see him perform with constraints personally. Who's to say he wouldn't want to prove he could do it. As for his football....they've scored more goals than Barca...very negative! <whistle>
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
I think you may be deluding yourself about this "affinity. He may just want to prove a point to you - from right on your own doorstep!
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It's not me who's deluded on this one.

It's much in the same way he wouldn't coach AC Milan after Inter.

notsosmartspur said:
Do you really think he hasn't noticed Abramovich has not changed his ways at all, still forces players on his managers and is generally a nightmare to work for.
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that's not the point I was making and you know it.
 
It doesn't add up SW6. If you're saying that he won't come to Spurs after he managed Chelsea because we're fierce rivals like AC and Inter then you're wrong,we're not.
 
It would be foolish to doubt Mourinhos ability as a manager on the basis of funds spent as any manager in charge of a top club is going to spend money to buy the players he requires to mould his team, this isn't in question.

The reason Mourinho isn't a realistic option is, funnily enough...money, however this isn't because he needs money to be a success, it is down to the fact he has guided himself to a certain status in the game, which is managing the best teams in europe and winning the best prizes.

Hence, if mourinho decided to manage spurs, could he turn us into league contenders with this current squad, in this current season, yes of course he could, yet he isn't going to look at this as a challenge and say "you know what, i'm going to forget about managing world class players, winning the champions league, being able to sign whoever I want, as I have this burning ambition to go and get the best out of michael dawson, kyle walker, make bale world class, get modric to stay and just show i can get success without having a huge budget and go down in spurs history books"...i mean come on, its not gonna happen!
 
SW6 said:
It's not me who's deluded on this one.

It's much in the same way he wouldn't coach AC Milan after Inter.

I would agree that the likelihood of him coming to Spurs is small. I just think it's not an impossibility. I also think that you are deluding yourself if you believe that this, so called, affinity would stop him from coming here.
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He's managed the majority of the top teams like Inter and Real which leaves Man Utd and Barcelona but both jobs are taken so who's left for him? Our job is shaky and could be up for grabs. To me he seems too outspoken for Man U after SAF so where would he go?
 
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