Tottenham in the Summer Transfer window - 2013 edition!

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Skylarker* said:
If Spurs sign him, surely that means Bale is off?? If Bale does stay AND you sign him - you could be title contenders.
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I wouldn't go that far yet, but to take your point further, as a club, this is what its supposed to be trying to aspire to. With such a team such a thing is possible, its the first time since 1960 a Spurs side could be even hinted at in these terms, its what the club is dreaming of....so why sell Bale??

Each successful club has a good team and one special player, that is what you need and we have the potential to have it all in place, if we spurn this opportunity by selling Bale, it would kind of go against the grain of what our owners are telling us ambition wise.

Guillotine Ur Ballbag on La Liga Review is now saying Madrid do not agree nor can afford our valuation and may wait till next year. The clubs stance is still that Bale is injured and will be fit in Spetember...when the Window closes. I think its safe to say the next two weeks are going to be a bit of a rollercoaster for us Spurs fans.
 
Sorry to make it clear, I was referring to sig, not willian when I said "he won't be able to work the hole like VDV did".
 
notsosmartspur said:
I wouldn't go that far yet, but to take your point further, as a club, this is what its supposed to be trying to aspire to. With such a team such a thing is possible, its the first time since 1960 a Spurs side could be even hinted at in these terms, its what the club is dreaming of....so why sell Bale??

Each successful club has a good team and one special player, that is what you need and we have the potential to have it all in place, if we spurn this opportunity by selling Bale, it would kind of go against the grain of what our owners are telling us ambition wise.

Guillotine Ur Ballbag on La Liga Review is now saying Madrid do not agree nor can afford our valuation and may wait till next year. The clubs stance is still that Bale is injured and will be fit in Spetember...when the Window closes. I think its safe to say the next two weeks are going to be a bit of a rollercoaster for us Spurs fans.
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Well if you get Willian and KEEP Bale, then I will have to congratulate you I have to say. But if you sign Willian your summer spending will be a net £70m, I can't see how you can afford that without Bale funds?
 
Sir_Red said:
Well if you get Willian and KEEP Bale, then I will have to congratulate you I have to say. But if you sign Willian your summer spending will be a net £70m, I can't see how you can afford that without Bale funds?
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I've said earlier, our billionaire owner maybe bankrolling the spending to be paid back after selling Bale next year. You never hear about him as he's a recluse, but a meeting took place in the summer with Levy and our manager. I could be making 5 out of 2 and 2, its just a hunch.
 
notsosmartspur said:
I've said earlier, our billionaire owner maybe bankrolling the spending to be paid back after selling Bale next year. You never hear about him as he's a recluse, but a meeting took place in the summer with Levy and our manager. I could be making 5 out of 2 and 2, its just a hunch.
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what about financial fair play rules? Then again City and Madrid seem to not give two ****s about it
 
Sir_Red said:
what about financial fair play rules? Then again City and Madrid seem to not give two ****s about it
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what about all the cash we've made on transfers over the last 2 years? I believe they also count. I don't think FFP comes in with a "starting now", its based on the previous X number of years books.
 
Spurm said:
what about all the cash we've made on transfers over the last 2 years? I believe they also count. I don't think FFP comes in with a "starting now", its based on the previous X number of years books.
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Yea that's true, I think FFP is on a rolling 3 years basis, and even then there are caveats.

but City have spent 90 million this summer and all because sheik bankrolls it through their farce £400m Etihad sponsorhip deal (ie his cousin)
 
Sir_Red said:
what about financial fair play rules? Then again City and Madrid seem to not give two ****s about it
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Hi Sir Red, if you can bare with me the following may help make things clearer...... (I said may) <whistle>

35m TV money + 27m in transfer fees = 62m

Plus we have not sold Scotty, Ade or Benny - so possible the figures in total 13m there.

62 + 13m = 75m

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Players bought = 59m

+ Willian = 90m


90 - 75 = 15m outlay.

Not really that significant, just a good use of resources.
15m to go from 5th place to very strong CL place is 15m well spent.

Now, there will obviously be wages increase too but I don't really know the ins and outs of that so will leave it out.

The money could be hedged against CL qualification
Bales influance on the US market
Bale going to Madrid next year
Lewis fancying a punt on us before out stadium is built
Lewis thinking we will get a better stadium naming rights deal if we have a strong squad - deals last 5-10 years I think so would be a masive issue if we have to undersell
wanting to capitalise on the changes in the top 3, as well as Wenger being in his last year, and seemingly unwilling to spend
thinking we finally have a brilliant coach and technical director set up that Lewis and Levy have wanted

the reasons are many....but it's the Bale story that seems to sell papers.

Lastly, it would be bloody funny if it apeared we stole Willian from Liverpool! <laugh>

Seriously though you guys looked pretty good on Sat, defensively a bit naive (same as last year) but if you can reduce the 14 defeats then you will be in the hunt for CL as you were only 12points off (?). Willian could make the difference.

A question though - Just to turn the tables, would you signing Willian mean Suarez is off?
 
Spursguru,

I don't think it would mean he is off. I think Suarez may well still leave, but all summer we've been after a wide forward for around £25million (Armenian bloke early in the summer and more recently Costa), and so Willian fits the criteria and it's been said it wouldn't be a replacement to Suarez. I'll be annoyed if we don't get him because it sounds like we've been flapping around quite a bit with the bigger signings this summer, we need to get it nailed down quickly
 
Sir_Red said:
Spursguru,

I don't think it would mean he is off. I think Suarez may well still leave, but all summer we've been after a wide forward for around £25million (Armenian bloke early in the summer and more recently Costa), and so Willian fits the criteria and it's been said it wouldn't be a replacement to Suarez. I'll be annoyed if we don't get him because it sounds like we've been flapping around quite a bit with the bigger signings this summer, we need to get it nailed down quickly
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This seems to be a common trait this summer for all teams without technical directors!

It's like all teams bar us and City have forgotten how it's done....not that i'm complaining mind.
 
Spursguru said:
Seriously though you guys looked pretty good on Sat, defensively a bit naive (same as last year) but if you can reduce the 14 defeats then you will be in the hunt for CL as you were only 12points off (?). Willian could make the difference.
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I actually thought there were big similarities in the performances of both Spurs and Liverpool. Both defences looked a bit nervy but kept a clean sheet by the skin of their teeth(s). Both should have scored more than 1. Both missing their headline player. Both won possession back fairly far up the field a few times but when they didn't got stretched fairly easily.
Liverpool had more guile in the form of Coutinho
 
Spursguru said:
This seems to be a common trait this summer for all teams without technical directors!

It's like all teams bar us and City have forgotten how it's done....not that i'm complaining mind.
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DoFs have their pros, and negotiating transfer deals is definately one of them. Ayre's hardly the most inspiring and charasmatic person to be persuading Willian to join us
 
Spursguru said:
Just read this on BBC

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23753129

If that is not an insulting offer then I don't know what is!

They should refuse all further talks in my opinion unless they offer something reasonable.

Baines = 18-25m
Fellaini = 25m

so 28m for both REAAALLLLLY takes the biscuit!
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I spoke about this on the rival thread, interesting that Moyes has waited till Fellaini's release clause has expired....nothing like a bit of inside info!
 
notsosmartspur said:
I spoke about this on the rival thread, interesting that Moyes has waited till Fellaini's release clause has expired....nothing like a bit of inside info!
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Oh yes, sorry forgot this is the wrong thead.

I just can't understand that bid, unless he knew Everton really are up **** creek money wise.

Why wait this long for Baines though?

Seems a bit desperate to me, can't get Ozil or Fabregas so raid Everton to make utd look like a big team.
 
Spursguru said:
Oh yes, sorry forgot this is the wrong thead.

I just can't understand that bid, unless he knew Everton really are up **** creek money wise.

Why wait this long for Baines though?

Seems a bit desperate to me, can't get Ozil or Fabregas so raid Everton to make utd look like a big team.
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I didn't mean you were on the wrong one mate, I was just re-iterating the Fellaini release clause bit, United now have 2 weeks to batter Everton into cheaper submission. They've got their marquee player already in RVP imo.
 
notsosmartspur said:
I didn't mean you were on the wrong one mate, I was just re-iterating the Fellaini release clause bit, United now have 2 weeks to batter Everton into cheaper submission. They've got their marquee player already in RVP imo.
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Yeh but I think Moyes needs to make a statement of intent.

For me UTD have been able to bully English teams, but never really the others in Europe IE bayern, Real, Barca etc. and that was with the most successfull manager, the biggest team in the world (at the time) and the richest league.

With Moyes, utd's drop in money, Rooney wanting out etc I think Moyes needs to get in some players that show what he wants to do with the team.
He may very well hang on to Fergies coat tails and bag a title this year, and then get in some players though.

Everton signings just screams of "I couldn't get anyone from a really big team, so I will continue to bully an Engish team".
Baines - would he displace Evra
Fellaini - is he technical enough and versatile enough to play in a mid of Carrick and Cleverly? not too sure.
 
Spursguru said:
Yeh but I think Moyes needs to make a statement of intent.

For me UTD have been able to bully English teams, but never really the others in Europe IE bayern, Real, Barca etc. and that was with the most successfull manager, the biggest team in the world (at the time) and the richest league.

With Moyes, utd's drop in money, Rooney wanting out etc I think Moyes needs to get in some players that show what he wants to do with the team.
He may very well hang on to Fergies coat tails and bag a title this year, and then get in some players though.

Everton signings just screams of "I couldn't get anyone from a really big team, so I will continue to bully an Engish team".
Baines - would he displace Evra
Fellaini - is he technical enough and versatile enough to play in a mid of Carrick and Cleverly? not too sure.
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A lot of United fans are questioning Evra, at 32 his level has dropped, complacency with no real challenger for his place aswell maybe, so I can see that one, and Fellaini does lack finesse, but Moyes rates him and they could do with the steel in their midfield. Despite a lot of opinion I don't think that United squad needs tinkering with too much if everyones happy. I don't think Rooney wants out either, and if he does they won't be strengthening any top5 PL side. That seems to be a recurring theme amongst all the top clubs to not sell to other English top clubs....I know I'm being generous calling Arsenal that! :)
 
Yeh I guess Evras age is an issue.

I really rate Baines, and he creates so many chances. Plus utd would have someone to take free kicks when RVP is not on the pitch.

But I think for what utd need, Fellainis actualy value will make him very expensive, if they figure a Fabregas/Ozil player is missing (last 2 years was Sneijder and possibly modric)
 
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