Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v Middlesbrough

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Citizen Kane. said:
Poch didn't start him until his final game in charge, against Sheff United. Before then he was either on the bench or injured.

Mason played him over Ndombele. Again, that's scant praise. Bit like saying I prefer being kicked up the arse than in the unmentionables. Oh, and that season he didn't complete 90mins on a single occasion in any domestic competition.

Maureen came to rely on him following our CM plague and it was probably his best run in a Spurs shirt. Still didn't score a single goal in the league and only managed 2 assists.

We really are scraping the bottom of the very last barrel in the wine cellar if we are suggesting that he is worth keeping hold of.
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Poch didn't start him because he was injured in an international friendly as soon as he arrived
Mason playing him over Ndombele simply proves that claiming four managers have written him off is wrong
The ubermensch...played him then?

What's scraping the last barrel in the wine cellar is clinging to an easily disproved argument after its been easily disproved

Ndombele, easy to write off because he manages to lack the defensive nous to play as a CM without being carried or the intelligence to be effective AM, and that's before his crap attitude which is the real reason why it can be said that three of the last five Spurs managers have written him off (and, personally, I get the feeling that Nuno was pressured into playing him)

Lo Celso, not so easy considering the 3421 formation we're currently using actually fits into Lo Celso's skillset better than how we were set up under the ubermensch or Nuno. Now, obviously, he'd be behind Son and Kulusevski in the two AM spots (and rightly so, based on current form) and given there's a probability that Bergwijn is off in the summer that does mean that if a door isn't opening at the very least a cat flap is, unlike Ndombele who it's plain that Conte is keen to see the back of - just like Tanganga was when telling him to hurry up getting off the pitch
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
Poch didn't start him because he was injured in an international friendly as soon as he arrived
Mason playing him over Ndombele simply proves that claiming four managers have written him off is wrong
The ubermensch...played him then?

What's scraping the last barrel in the wine cellar is clinging to an easily disproved argument after its been easily disproved

Ndombele, easy to write off because he manages to lack the defensive nous to play as a CM without being carried or the intelligence to be effective AM, and that's before his crap attitude which is the real reason why it can be said that three of the last five Spurs managers have written him off (and, personally, I get the feeling that Nuno was pressured into playing him)

Lo Celso, not so easy considering the 3421 formation we're currently using actually fits into Lo Celso's skillset better than how we were set up under the ubermensch or Nuno. Now, obviously, he'd be behind Son and Kulusevski in the two AM spots (and rightly so, based on current form) and given there's a probability that Bergwijn is off in the summer that does mean that if a door isn't opening at the very least a cat flap is, unlike Ndombele who it's plain that Conte is keen to see the back of - just like Tanganga was when telling him to hurry up getting off the pitch
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Ndombele did more for Spurs than Lo Celso.

I almost admire you for still clinging on to hope that Lo Celso will come good even after all this time.
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
Poch played him
Mason played him over Ndombele
The ubermensch played him over Ndombele

But sure, the poster who was dismissing Romero as "dross" last October thinks I'm digging...
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Getting a game here and there doesn’t prove that managers rated him.

I don’t remember calling Romero specifically dross but if I did then I hold my hand up as he’s got better. I still want more from him though and he’s still a long way off being Jan/Toby levels though.
 
KingHotspur said:
Ndombele did more for Spurs than Lo Celso.

I almost admire you for still clinging on to hope that Lo Celso will come good even after all this time.
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Here's the thing: did he? On a stats-based level you can say that he did, as he got some goals and assists (plus plenty of clips for our social media team to pump out to fill gaps in the schedule), but in minute-to-minute football? I honestly don't think so considering he was usually shagged out by the 70th minute so meant we wasted a substitution, and his complete lack of application when the opponents had the ball was infuriating - and then of course there's him breaking lockdown protocols, which again points to his complete lack of discipline

Ndombele is one of those player who may hit a 7/10 in one game, but either side of it there's three, four or five games where he's 3/10 or worse, which puts him in similar company with Barren Dent or Stephane Dalmat - and coincidentally the three of them all had ****ty attitudes
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
Here's the thing: did he? On a stats-based level you can say that he did, as he got some goals and assists (plus plenty of clips for our social media team to pump out to fill gaps in the schedule), but in minute-to-minute football? I honestly don't think so considering he was usually shagged out by the 70th minute so meant we wasted a substitution, and his complete lack of application when the opponents had the ball was infuriating - and then of course there's him breaking lockdown protocols, which again points to his complete lack of discipline

Ndombele is one of those player who may hit a 7/10 in one game, but either side of it there's three, four or five games where he's 3/10 or worse, which puts him in similar company with Barren Dent or Stephane Dalmat - and coincidentally the three of them all had ****ty attitudes
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I agree with everything you’ve said there about Ndombele. But my issue with Lo Celso is that even when he wasn’t injured, he just didn’t seem to offer much at all.
 
With news that Bentancur could be back for Everton, I think we can expect a Winks-Hojbjerg midfield. Lucas is injured so Kulu might start again as he hasn't played much this season and is playing himself into a rich vein of form. I'd go with:

Lloris
Sanchez Dier Romero
Doherty Winks Hojbjerg Reguilon
Kulu Son Bergwijn
 
Citizen Kane. said:
With news that Bentancur could be back for Everton, I think we can expect a Winks-Hojbjerg midfield. Lucas is injured so Kulu might start again as he hasn't played much this season and is playing himself into a rich vein of form. I'd go with:

Lloris
Sanchez Dier Romero
Doherty Winks Hojbjerg Reguilon
Kulu Son Bergwijn
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Do you think he'll rest one armed Kane?
 
Citizen Kane. said:
With news that Bentancur could be back for Everton, I think we can expect a Winks-Hojbjerg midfield. Lucas is injured so Kulu might start again as he hasn't played much this season and is playing himself into a rich vein of form. I'd go with:

Lloris
Sanchez Dier Romero
Doherty Winks Hojbjerg Reguilon
Kulu Son Bergwijn
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Personally , if you are dropping/resting Davies, I would prefer to go with Rodon who has experience playing against Championship teams.
 
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To save people a click, subs are Gollini, Royal, Reguilon, Rodon, Sanchez, White, Devine, Bergwijn and Scarlett.
 
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