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johnnywarksmoustache said:
Alcoholism is far worse than gambling addiction!
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Really?? This isn't the right post for this debate, but i have been involved with compulsive gamblers for 14 years, and believe me, it is no better or worse.
The suicide rate for problem gamblers is increasing year on year, and are getting younger and younger.
People are ignorant to problem gambling, because it isn't visible to the outside world, but believe you me, it destroys people and their families.

https://helpstopgambling.org.uk/category/gambling-related-harm/suicide/
 
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Both are absolutely evil. I still to this day have ZERO idea how alcohol is legal over pubs............ yet weed is this evil thing!? I mean that's the most backwards thing ever, and that's from someone who has had many a beer over the years / never touched weed.......

My family has / had severe issues with both over the years. My dads an alcoholic - by that he's alcohol dependent and will have one beer every night. He won't go a single night without. At it's worst, it would be 5 pints a night + wine + brandy.........

Suffice to say mum had enough years ago and their marriage is over. Weirdly they get on now better than before. Dads in denial, he's NOT an alchy in his mind because ' alchys would have a skin full each night ' ........ absolute rubbish. He had a severe heart attach 2-4 years ago, smoked like a chimney and was told to give up the ***s / booze. Of course he hasn't................ Aged 66....... his body won't take it forever.

His brother had a MASSIVE gambling issue years ago. Was gambling quite literally thousands on the horses, with some success. I think at on point netted £27,000 or so, of course gambled it away / bought mates drinks / happy days lads..............

He FINALLY met the love of his life. A nice from what I hear Dutch lady. She sorted him out / the house / etc. However, on the basis he never gambled again. Smitten he agreed........however she caught him out one day. Threatened to pack her bags if it ever happened - low and behold - a person who did what she said. She was gone when he got back home. Gambled more, drank more.....

Now these days I very rarely drink. Had a few and a rare night out a week Sat ago - however aged 32 my silly days are somewhat behind me. I did a betting system called profit accumulator which let me raise a lot of capital and get to Aus - I've hardly touched it since. I'm quite fortunate I seem to have mums genes and no addictions my side, so I can do both without either being a major issue.

However, I also DON'T want betting logos on town shirts. I don't want 365 and co saying ' NEXT SCORER BET NOW ' during a break on tv. How about you f*** off.
 
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stretchyboy said:
Really?? This isn't the right post for this debate, but i have been involved with compulsive gamblers for 14 years, and believe me, it is no better or worse.
The suicide rate for problem gamblers is increasing year on year, and are getting younger and younger.
People are ignorant to problem gambling, because it isn't visible to the outside world, but believe you me, it destroys people and their families.

https://helpstopgambling.org.uk/category/gambling-related-harm/suicide/
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Normal service has resumed hey mate? <laugh>
 
Well this has all escalated quickly! Personally, I don't see the harm in the occasional drink or the occasional bet, however, dependent on all sorts of factors and contexts, anyone can get addicted to either alcohol or gambling. There is plenty of evidence that it has destroyed families, careers, and ultimately lives. I think as a society we are still some way off recognising alcoholism and gambling addictions as national health concerns, it's no different to a cocaine or heroin addiction in my eyes and both alcohol and placing a bet is easier to do.

My main issue is just how deeply ingrained gambling is becoming in football. Watch a match on TV and every other advert seems to be about gambling. Before the kick offs on BT, they've even got Ray Winstone's mug taking up half the screen while the other shows the players warming up before the match. It would be funny if it wasn't such a serious issue to hundreds of thousands of people in the country. As a club that had Greene King on our shirts, we can't really claim to be moral champions here, but it's disheartening to see us jump on the bandwagon and emblazon that tacky logo across our shirts for the sake of few extra quid.
 
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Well said nugs, and I don't have a problem with gambling at all as you said and which I've mentioned before, it's how much gambling has taken over our beautiful game. I'm guessing EVERY league club is asvertising or being sponsored to a degree by gambling firms and every stadium has betting booths. Then add to that every advert before and during live games emblaze odds on a game.
 
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YorkieLancsHampyLondoner said:
When Keane took over Wright, Campo and Counago were at the end of their careers, we had Balkestein and Thatcher in the back line and Kevin Lisbie was regularly in the first team. We did have some decent players but there were gaping holes all over the first team.



Mick did a great job in keeping us up, but he never had it in him to take us up and he has left us in much the same situation that Keane left the club, not having spent money of course, but having made no progress in a long time and having failed to nurture home grown or young talent. My original post was to say that given that much time under Keane I believe we would be in a much stronger position on the basis that he would have learned from some of those early mistakes.
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I really don't get your logic here. What indication was there other than his steely determination that he could not only turn it around but leave us in a better position than Mick has?
 
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itfcptc said:
I really don't get your logic here. What indication was there other than his steely determination that he could not only turn it around but leave us in a better position than Mick has?
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Hi PTC, on the basis that with the exception of rescuing us after Paul Jewell's stint, McCarthy could not have done worse during the rest of his tenure.
 
Nuggets said:
My main issue is just how deeply ingrained gambling is becoming in football. Watch a match on TV and every other advert seems to be about gambling. Before the kick offs on BT, they've even got Ray Winstone's mug taking up half the screen while the other shows the players warming up before the match. It would be funny if it wasn't such a serious issue to hundreds of thousands of people in the country. As a club that had Greene King on our shirts, we can't really claim to be moral champions here, but it's disheartening to see us jump on the bandwagon and emblazon that tacky logo across our shirts for the sake of few extra quid.
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I find it sickening to be honest. Tony Blair's government legalised and normalised a lot of what is now the gambling culture in this country. Prior to that for most of us it was a game of bingo, a punt on our club for the title and a flutter on the Grand National. Gambling only benefits the betting, casino and gaming companies at the expense of the rest of us.

The other one is Carabao sponsoring the League Cup when we know how ****ed up kids get on energy drinks.

By the way, I was not arsed about Greene King at the time - especially since I was at Uni and drinking the Student Union bar dry while I was watching Burley's side or Richard Wright in goal for England on the telly pint in hand - but we would be a happier, healthier, more productive nation without the stuff, never mind alcoholics.
 
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YorkieLancsHampyLondoner said:
If there was a season between 2014/15 and 2015/16 when we were in the Premier League under McCarthy I did miss that, otherwise no.
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If you don't see the only season we've made the play offs in a decade as a successful one, then I suggest maybe Barcelona, Man City or PSG are more suitable clubs to support.
 
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If you don't see the only season we've made the play offs in a decade as a successful one, then I suggest maybe Barcelona, Man City or PSG are more suitable clubs to support.
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Keeping Town up that season was an achievement but getting in the play offs won't even rank highly on Mick McCarthy's CV let alone a successful manager. Seriously, the lack of ambition at the club is a big part of the problem.
 
YorkieLancsHampyLondoner said:
Hi PTC, on the basis that with the exception of rescuing us after Paul Jewell's stint, McCarthy could not have done worse during the rest of his tenure.
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So nothing to do with any indication of what was shown by Keane just the fact you think any manager could've done better than Mick.
 
itfcptc said:
So nothing to do with any indication of what was shown by Keane just the fact you think any manager could've done better than Mick.
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Going round in circles here. You asked me "What indication was there other than his steely determination". That and his experience of captaining one of the most successful clubs of all time.

So, given 9 years in the job at Town I'm sure he would have got us promoted.
 
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