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[qprbeth]

In my experience

Best builders German and Polish
Take away Catering Asia China
Best road workers France
Best transport workers France
Best restaurant service France Italy
Best Taxi drivers Asia
Best Managers UK
Best talkers about work UK
Best moaners UK
We have offshored what we can in the UK every wondered why.... We don't want to work and if we did it would be too expensive and nothing would get done

Best creatives UK

Now this exemplifies ..exactly what is wrong with this thread. Sweeping generalisations, all Oddball did put the get out clause "in my experience"
The best builder was my Dad....so that becomes The Welsh
The best take a way experience.....Is a fish shop in Oxford....so the English.
I have no idea about the road workers....
But seriously.......I agree with the previous posters ...we are putting people into artificial boxes..

WBAer has pointed out it is Ramadan, a time for reflection....and as Jesus said, to me Jesus is a mythical entity I do not believe in....but he didn't half say some pertinent things.

Those without sin should cast the first stone.....
We as individuals and we as a nation are not so perfect....but by making an effort to listen, learn and understand....we can get through this together.
Education and a little compassion for different people's needs

 

[TWGWTDT]

Now this exemplifies ..exactly what is wrong with this thread. Sweeping generalisations, all Oddball did put the get out clause "in my experience"
The best builder was my Dad....so that becomes The Welsh
The best take a way experience.....Is a fish shop in Oxford....so the English.
I have no idea about the road workers....
But seriously.......I agree with the previous posters ...we are putting people into artificial boxes..

WBAer has pointed out it is Ramadan, a time for reflection....and as Jesus said, to me Jesus is a mythical entity I do not believe in....but he didn't half say some pertinent things.

Those without sin should cast the first stone.....
We as individuals and we as a nation are not so perfect....but by making an effort to listen, learn and understand....we can get through this together.
Education and a little compassion for different people's needs

Yep that's my experience and opinion
Taxi drivers... ask any uk born taxi driver if they haven't seen an influx of foreign drivers or firms that working longer and harder

Builders sorry but nothing comes close to the Germans

Roads the French

Don't stop there make your own lists of what Britain does best and it will be short

Creative arts would be need the top
Maybe IT tech
Banking of course which we all known is criminal

And we are slagging off the Islam faith

We are not in a position to even talk about faith as religion for Anglo Saxons has been replaced by many other things we worship

We are too clever when all we are is ants on a grubby little island of mixed up people

 

[Sooperhoop]

Yep that's my experience and opinion
Taxi drivers... ask any uk born taxi driver if they haven't seen an influx of foreign drivers or firms that working longer and harder

Builders sorry but nothing comes close to the Germans

Roads the French

Don't stop there make your own lists of what Britain does best and it will be short

Creative arts would be need the top
Maybe IT tech
Banking of course which we all known is criminal

And we are slagging off the Islam faith

We are not in a position to even talk about faith as religion for Anglo Saxons has been replaced by many other things we worship

We are too clever when all we are is ants on a grubby little island of mixed up people

I don't know why you bother setting foot in this country that you despise so much, you're sick with hatred of everything British...

 

[fusari805]

Yep that's my experience and opinion
Taxi drivers... ask any uk born taxi driver if they haven't seen an influx of foreign drivers or firms that working longer and harder

Builders sorry but nothing comes close to the Germans

Roads the French

Don't stop there make your own lists of what Britain does best and it will be short

Creative arts would be need the top
Maybe IT tech
Banking of course which we all known is criminal

And we are slagging off the Islam faith

We are not in a position to even talk about faith as religion for Anglo Saxons has been replaced by many other things we worship

We are too clever when all we are is ants on a grubby little island of mixed up people

For someone who talks a lot of sense, you talk a lot of sh*t. How high can one get on ones high horse

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

Interesting comment from the black Labour MP Diane Abbot on Andrew Neill's This Week programme. Abbot's heritage is Jamaican and she knows all about integration having read history at Cambridge (tutored by Simon Schama) after grammar school and made it to Parliament. She pointed out that while most immigrants gather together initially (e.g. Italian areas and Irish areas in New York in the early C19th), gradually they are assimilated into the society of the country they have joined. In the UK however, parts of the Muslim community are going in the opposite direction. The children of these Muslim immigrants are more likely to use their religion to define themselves, wear hijabs, full face veils etc and take an exclusive, insular approach. Worrying.

 

[Stroller]

Interesting comment from the black Labour MP Diane Abbot on Andrew Neill's This Week programme. Abbot's heritage is Jamaican and she knows all about integration having read history at Cambridge (tutored by Simon Schama) after grammar school and made it to Parliament. She pointed out that while most immigrants gather together initially (e.g. Italian areas and Irish areas in New York in the early C19th), gradually they are assimilated into the society of the country they have joined. In the UK however, parts of the Muslim community are going in the opposite direction. The children of these Muslim immigrants are more likely to use their religion to define themselves, wear hijabs, full face veils etc and take an exclusive, insular approach. Worrying.

Wow. I think Diane Abbott is an idiot, but she seems to be making the very point that I was trying to make when I started this thread.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

Wow. I think Diane Abbott is an idiot, but she seems to be making the very point that I was trying to make when I started this thread.

It supports what you said in your OP, 100% Strolls. The issue won't go away and needs to be addressed at high levels within and without the Muslim community.

 

[Sooperhoop]

Yes, basically the Muslims appear to be creating ghettos. Next it'll be Sharia Law. Thank God Miliband didn't get in as he promised to make Islamophobia a crime which would really have stoked it up...

 

[Busy Being Headhunted]

Yep that's my experience and opinion
Taxi drivers... ask any uk born taxi driver if they haven't seen an influx of foreign drivers or firms that working longer and harder

Builders sorry but nothing comes close to the Germans

Roads the French

Don't stop there make your own lists of what Britain does best and it will be short

Creative arts would be need the top
Maybe IT tech
Banking of course which we all known is criminal

And we are slagging off the Islam faith

We are not in a position to even talk about faith as religion for Anglo Saxons has been replaced by many other things we worship

We are too clever when all we are is ants on a grubby little island of mixed up people

We all know that you support the Islam faith TWGWTDT.
You probably believe that a woman who cheats on her husband or a gay should be stoned to death.

 

[Stroller]

It supports what you said in your OP, 100% Strolls. The issue won't go away and needs to be addressed at high levels within and without the Muslim community.

It is certainly a subject that needs to be addressed and Abbott's comment makes me feel somewhat comforted that my anti-Islamic feelings are not borne of racism.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

It is certainly a subject that needs to be addressed and Abbott's comment makes me feel somewhat comforted that my anti-Islamic feelings are not borne of racism.

It's not racism. We have to focus on the issues arising out of Islam that are of genuine concern. There are Muslim commentators making the same points. And it's more than local. There is a broad problem arising from the Middle East conflicts that impacts many western countries. It will take many generations to resolve. In the meantime, there's an urgent need to encourage British Muslim communities in London and the North not to turn in on themselves.

 

[Big Ern]

To continue this conversation with you would not be fair on someone with such limited intellect, so therefore, I will refrain from any further comment with the exception of saying, go back to your board, you are not welcome on ours.

oh dear, you can't refute a word I say, can you, you've probably tried, then run into 'the intervention act' and, rather than admit you're from a nation of sick neo-nazi's that are currently killing children because of their skin colour, you trot out the typically Aussie line "go back where you came from".
The world is starting to wake-up to what a shallow and vile nation of genocidal racists you are, it's a shame it's taking so long, unfortunately the aborigines don't have rich patrons like the Jews of Germany and the blacks of south Africa.

On a side note, that kid in America, if he'd been arab would al qaeda have taken responsibility?

 

[durbar2003]

True Story
I was in a cab yesterday and started talking to the driver. He was from Ghana and very proud of his country and its British heritage.
Driving along we were badly cut of by another cab. My drivers response, "he's probably from Nigeria"
Not sure if that's racist but it made me chuckle.

 

[Big Ern]

True Story
I was in a cab yesterday and started talking to the driver. He was from Ghana and very proud of his country and its British heritage.
Driving along we were badly cut of by another cab. My drivers response, "he's probably from Nigeria"
Not sure if that's racist but it made me chuckle.

they're the same race, so no, but it's my experience that most Africans distrust the Nigerians. I have been told many times "Do not trust him, he is from Nigeria". I'm guessing it might have something to do with their 'national bank'

 

[qprbeth]

they're the same race, so no, but it's my experience that most Africans distrust the Nigerians. I have been told many times "Do not trust him, he is from Nigeria". I'm guessing it might have something to do with their 'national bank'

No they are not the necessarily same race BigErn, shows what you know!!!
Ghanan are often Ashanti, and Nigerians main tribal race is Hausa...However one of the most obvious cases of racism I have ever come across occured in a Ghanan family.

We had a student, a beautiful Ghanaian girl and at college she fell in love with a lovely guy from Nigeria, he was so sweet with her (she was really high maintenance, but he adored her)....they were together 3 years, and I got to know them the next three years, at the end of her course they decided to get married...it was then she admitted that although she had told her Mum about her (now) fiance, she had not told her Dad....because he had told his children never to talk to Nigerians because they were all to a man, lowest of the low murderers, scum, rapists and *****philes

So she summons up her courage, and speaks to her Dad, who disowns her and threatens to kill the Nigerian and her Mum and Dads marriage (almost) breaks up under the strain, her brothers are told never to talk to his sister again.
6 years down the line now..., they got married and have two gorgeous children, which her father has never seen, but her mother has (now with knowledge from her husband...small blessing)

I should say the Nigerian boy is now doing exceptionally well as a lawyer in London, with no sign of being a murder, rapist or any other low life.

Racism exists in all races...I am afraid (similar tales can be told in London, in Ireland in India...it is found through out the world).
The only way we can overcome it is by education and intregration, which as Sooper says, is why it is so worrying that the 2nd generation Muslim kids, a reverting to insular "ghettos" rather than expanding into their environment like previous migrants (Jews, Huguenots, Irish, west Indians, and many Kenyan Indians have)

 

[Busy Being Headhunted]

True Story
I was in a cab yesterday and started talking to the driver. He was from Ghana and very proud of his country and its British heritage.
Driving along we were badly cut of by another cab. My drivers response, "he's probably from Nigeria"
Not sure if that's racist but it made me chuckle.

Would of only been considered racist if your driver was white and British

 

[qprbeth]

Would of only been considered racist if your driver was white and British

Why? ...it is racist.

I am not going to war over it...but it is racist

 

[rangercol]

Yep that's my experience and opinion
Taxi drivers... ask any uk born taxi driver if they haven't seen an influx of foreign drivers or firms that working longer and harder

Builders sorry but nothing comes close to the Germans

Roads the French

Don't stop there make your own lists of what Britain does best and it will be short

Creative arts would be need the top
Maybe IT tech
Banking of course which we all known is criminal

And we are slagging off the Islam faith

We are not in a position to even talk about faith as religion for Anglo Saxons has been replaced by many other things we worship

We are too clever when all we are is ants on a grubby little island of mixed up people

Christ on a bike.......you talk so much cock!!

 

[Sooperhoop]

I was fortunate to have grown up in Brixton in the late 50s and went to school throughout the 60s. At that time Brixton had the highest volume of West Indian immigrants in the country. In my last year at primary school in 1965 there were more black than white children in our class which was exceptional for that time when all bar a few well known inner city areas never had more than one or two in a whole school.

Yet at that age children all got on together and I still have friends from that time. In the road we lived in it was like the united nations, English, Irish, Italian, Hungarian, Yugoslav, Greek, several different Caribbean islands all got along so well together. we were in and out of each others houses all the time and you would sample all different types of food from these people's countries and it was such a vibrant place to live. The difference then was people stayed in the same places for years so a community grew whereas cities now are much more transient, people come and go in a very short time which doesn't give relationships time to develop.

The difference then was people did integrate and their second and third generations are much more British in outlook, whereas now I feel some communities don't want to integrate, don't want to even learn our language and have been somewhat treated with kid gloves by politicians and local services to the extent they almost demand autonomy of a sort.

We have only ourselves to blame for not facing up to problems through political correctness and equality laws which are a direct challenge to the very way of life in this country. Now anyone who feels offended by anything anyone says may complain and the police will investigate a 'hate crime' or some such nonsense, and the police will investigate with a vigour they rarely show when dealing with real crime.

I really do fear we are going to see things get a lot worse before they get better and with the government unable to do much due to European law we face having to leave the EU to regain control of our country...

 

[Busy Being Headhunted]

I was fortunate to have grown up in Brixton in the late 50s and went to school throughout the 60s. At that time Brixton had the highest volume of West Indian immigrants in the country. In my last year at primary school in 1965 there were more black than white children in our class which was exceptional for that time when all bar a few well known inner city areas never had more than one or two in a whole school.

Yet at that age children all got on together and I still have friends from that time. In the road we lived in it was like the united nations, English, Irish, Italian, Hungarian, Yugoslav, Greek, several different Caribbean islands all got along so well together. we were in and out of each others houses all the time and you would sample all different types of food from these people's countries and it was such a vibrant place to live. The difference then was people stayed in the same places for years so a community grew whereas cities now are much more transient, people come and go in a very short time which doesn't give relationships time to develop.

The difference then was people did integrate and their second and third generations are much more British in outlook, whereas now I feel some communities don't want to integrate, don't want to even learn our language and have been somewhat treated with kid gloves by politicians and local services to the extent they almost demand autonomy of a sort.

We have only ourselves to blame for not facing up to problems through political correctness and equality laws which are a direct challenge to the very way of life in this country. Now anyone who feels offended by anything anyone says may complain and the police will investigate a 'hate crime' or some such nonsense, and the police will investigate with a vigour they rarely show when dealing with real crime.

I really do fear we are going to see things get a lot worse before they get better and with the government unable to do much due to European law we face having to leave the EU to regain control of our country...

such a good post sooper